Paul Rowley Perrenial Choker

[thepimp007]

Can’t get a team up when it matters. Limitations shown again with a heap spent needs to go for Toronto to progress. It’s not about throwing money at it, it’s about firstly being coached right

[Manx RL]

8 minutes ago, thepimp007 said:

Can’t get a team up when it matters. Limitations shown again with a heap spent needs to go for Toronto to progress. It’s not about throwing money at it, it’s about firstly being coached right

He’s not the viagra of coaches.

[Mr Plow]

Brian McDermott to Toronto?

[thepimp007]

18 minutes ago, Manx RL said:

He’s not the viagra of coaches.

Haha quality

[Chris22]

As a Saints fan, it's probably not wise to comment on this thread...that being said, has Rowley actually guided a side to Super League?

Toronto have the resource to get a more experienced coach, so it would shock me if they didn't.

[Just Browny]

I don't rate Rowley as a coach and I certainly don't enjoy his team's tactics. That said, I thought his interview at the end was outstanding, coming seconds after such a big disappointment.

[Angelic Cynic]

58 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

I don't rate Rowley as a coach and I certainly don't enjoy his team's tactics. That said, I thought his interview at the end was outstanding, coming seconds after such a big disappointment.

+1

[dixiedean]

1 hour ago, Just Browny said:

I don't rate Rowley as a coach and I certainly don't enjoy his team's tactics. That said, I thought his interview at the end was outstanding, coming seconds after such a big disappointment.

Indeed. This is what I don't get. Rowley wasn't like that as a player. And, having met him, he really is a lovely bloke. Mind you, I also met Norman Tebbit, and he was a charming fellow too.

Maybe he found a way to get to the top of the Championship, and is too conservative/stubborn to change?

[Harry Stottle]

As with Leigh in the play offs in 2015 the players were not good enough to go the final step, from memory they lost one of the regular season games a better return than TWP this season, with those records you do not suddenly become a bad coach, If Toronto had better players they would now be celebrating going up, Patterson was sorely missed last night from the evidence of the other games I have witnessed he could have made the difference in such a close contest.

Noble has not been mentioned very much in all this is it not his job to source, identify and recruit the players being Football Manager amongst other duties? McCrone and Wallace couldn't organise the proverbial in a brewery, does anybody think that Rowley sends them out to perform the way they do in a game, the TWP players were good enough in the domain of the regular season, not good enogh at the sharp end, by the same token is Justin Holbrook not a good enough coach his team also bottled the buisness end of the season? Twice.

[Southerner80]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

As with Leigh in the play offs in 2015 the players were not good enough to go the final step, from memory they lost one of the regular season games a better return than TWP this season, with those records you do not suddenly become a bad coach, If Toronto had better players they would now be celebrating going up, Patterson was sorely missed last night from the evidence of the other games I have witnessed he could have made the difference in such a close contest.

Noble has not been mentioned very much in all this is it not his job to source, identify and recruit the players being Football Manager amongst other duties? McCrone and Wallace couldn't organise the proverbial in a brewery, does anybody think that Rowley sends them out to perform the way they do in a game, the TWP players were good enough in the domain of the regular season, not good enogh at the sharp end, by the same token is Justin Holbrook not a good enough coach his team also bottled the buisness end of the season? Twice.

Questions do have to be asked about Rowleys tactics, Nobles recruitment, and Holbrooks use of his squad, and keeping players fresh......Wane seems to have done this to perfection. Holbrook did not, and the injuries and lack of game experience / competition for places caught up with him. 

[Rupert Prince]

16 hours ago, thepimp007 said:

Can’t get a team up when it matters. Limitations shown again with a heap spent needs to go for Toronto to progress. It’s not about throwing money at it, it’s about firstly being coached right

A totally cheap, demeaning and graceless headline and spurious comment.

[DavidM]

6 hours ago, Southerner80 said:

Questions do have to be asked about Rowleys tactics, Nobles recruitment, and Holbrooks use of his squad, and keeping players fresh......Wane seems to have done this to perfection. Holbrook did not, and the injuries and lack of game experience / competition for places caught up with him. 

I’ve often questioned this eulogising of noble as some  type of rugby guru . Him n Rowley have been found wanting at the end . There were to many players there not up to it when it mattered and those tactics looked predictable 

[Eric Bristow]

1 hour ago, DavidM said:

I’ve often questioned this eulogising of noble as some  type of rugby guru . Him n Rowley have been found wanting at the end . There were to many players there not up to it when it mattered and those tactics looked predictable 

Noble is one of the biggest mercenaries/charlatans in the sport. 

[Kayakman]

9 hours ago, Rupert Prince said:

A totally cheap, demeaning and graceless headline and spurious comment.

I say don't change a thing.  Noble knows what he is doing....Rowley deserves another year.  Argyle is the best owner in the business.

In RL there seems to be some 'panic button' which gets pushed far too often.  Toronto is going to be just fine...a stable plan with benchmarks.   Every box except one has been ticked so far.  In Year 3 of a 5 Year Plan.

Steady goes the ship!....just gotta keep paddlin.

[Wakefield Ram]

1 hour ago, Kayakman said:

I say don't change a thing.  Noble knows what he is doing....Rowley deserves another year.  Argyle is the best owner in the business.

In RL there seems to be some 'panic button' which gets pushed far too often.  Toronto is going to be just fine...a stable plan with benchmarks.   Every box except one has been ticked so far.  In Year 3 of a 5 Year Plan.

Steady goes the ship!....just gotta keep paddlin.

Think a change of coach would be good for TWP. Rowley is not a SL coach, his success had been based on having full-time teams in mostly part-time leagues. And his tactics never change, nor does the indiscipline. Hopefully, a new SL standard coach will bring a better game to TWP and will get them promoted.

[TheLegendOfTexEvans]

1 hour ago, Kayakman said:

I say don't change a thing.  Noble knows what he is doing....Rowley deserves another year.  Argyle is the best owner in the business.

In RL there seems to be some 'panic button' which gets pushed far too often.  Toronto is going to be just fine...a stable plan with benchmarks.   Every box except one has been ticked so far.  In Year 3 of a 5 Year Plan.

Steady goes the ship!....just gotta keep paddlin.

Please keep Rowley and Noble.

 

[Kayakman]

4 minutes ago, Wakefield Ram said:

Think a change of coach would be good for TWP. Rowley is not a SL coach, his success had been based on having full-time teams in mostly part-time leagues. And his tactics never change, nor does the indiscipline. Hopefully, a new SL standard coach will bring a better game to TWP and will get them promoted.

Well it sure seems that there are alot of people from other teams with strong opinions about us letting our coach go. They all seem to be based upon what happened to him before he became the Coach of TWP.  I think he has done a good overall job in his two years.

[Keep The Faith]

34 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Well it sure seems that there are alot of people from other teams with strong opinions about us letting our coach go. They all seem to be based upon what happened to him before he became the Coach of TWP.  I think he has done a good overall job in his two years.

If Rowley had failed in promotion from league 1 and making the top 4 this year then he'd of been the biggest failure in the sport, no offence to Tornoto but they should be walking the league against amateur players of league 1 and builders of the championship... 

 

I wonder if DA will keep him... I've heard he could be of Widnes in 2019

[kiyan]

In all these discussions Noble and Rowley are the team discussed.

In the 2 seasons after Dr Koukash  bailed Salford out and pumped a lot of money into the club they both under performed, broke salary cap and ended up in court with all kinds of allegations of players not being paid, kit suppliers taking them to court, etc.

Koukash may not have helped but Brian Noble was the guy he hired and gave unlimited money to build a great team and he failed results wise.

What is forgotten that Martin Vickers ( after approving a secret £million loan to Salford Red Devils, resigned from his senior  position in Salford Council to pursue "personal opportunities" and a month later was the Chief Executive of Salford City Reds) .

After numerous companies, suppliers and players taking Salford to court "claiming" unpaid debts ( some upheld some not) Koukash announced that the team at  one of his other companies would be talking responsibility for the financial  details at the rugby club  - as far as I am aware there was no further claims of non payment.

After that announcement there was no mention about Martin Vickers - until 6/7 months later when he appeared as Chief Executive of Swinton RLFC, which within months just about avoided bankruptcy.

Within all that he was personally sued by Salford Council for a debt he owned them on a car! ( which he resolved before it got to court)

Anyway, he didn't last at Swinton long and finally we get to the point - where is he now?  Yep he is an advisor / head of UK Operations ( depending what you read) of TWP and the "Salford failed  team of Noble/Vickers" are  back together and added  ( Leigh failure)Rowley into the mix to make a bigger force of failure.

It is almost as if Dr Koukash efforts at Salford were all a secret and someone else wants to waste another few million  trying EXACTLY the same thing.  And some of the TWP ( like Some of the Salford ones 3/4 years ago) are blindly sticking with it!

Koukash spent £5/6 million before he realised it was the wrong approach -   Right down to the same people!!!! FFS why repeat it, learn from his mistakes and get into SL!

ref:

1. http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=2373
2. http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1935
3. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/martin-vickers-salford-red-devils-11371887
4. http://salfordonline.com/18057-martin-vickers-joins-swinton-lions-as-commercial-director.html
5. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/town-hall-bails-out-swinton-13464148
6. https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/vickers-joins-toronto/

 

 

 

 

 

[TheReaper]

Don't know what any of that has to do with coach Rowley....

 

He came first and got promoted one year, came first and two point away from being promoted a second year. Jeez, two points from winning everything he could win and some want to fire him? I'd like to see how perfect everyone is at their jobs.

[kiyan]

1 hour ago, TheReaper said:

Don't know what any of that has to do with coach Rowley....

 

He came first and got promoted one year, came first and two point away from being promoted a second year. Jeez, two points from winning everything he could win and some want to fire him? I'd like to see how perfect everyone is at their jobs.

Really?

I couldn't coach an under 10 team, but if you gave me an unlimited ( up to salary cap) budget for a RL team I am pretty sure I could put together a team that whipped Part Timers in the Championship and below.

When it got to playing other Full Time teams I would be shown as a useless coach - that is what has happened to Rowley TWICE !

Taken a cashed up Leigh to top of championship and a cashed up TWP to the top of the championship and failed on BOTH opportunities to get them promoted.

[Rupert Prince]

9 hours ago, Kayakman said:

I say don't change a thing.  Noble knows what he is doing....Rowley deserves another year.  Argyle is the best owner in the business.

In RL there seems to be some 'panic button' which gets pushed far too often.  Toronto is going to be just fine...a stable plan with benchmarks.   Every box except one has been ticked so far.  In Year 3 of a 5 Year Plan.

Steady goes the ship!....just gotta keep paddlin.

I do not know how good the TWP management are, all I say is it was a graceless comment by the OP.

I think your own comments are plausible, but in my opinion the problem they have is a lack of focus (organisation) in the big games. This should not be a surprise as they have had few big games. But in those games they have rather lost their heads. 

Winning the league now on does not gain promotion, winning the playoff does. So 'focus' becomes even more important... and of course winning promotion becomes more worthy.

[tuutaisrambo]

I wouldn't say he's a bad coach........but with the advantage TWP have had over the rest of the league this season, along with a terrible Widnes,  failing to get promoted is very dissappointing

I think most of the negativity around TWP (especially from "yorkshire flatcappers") is more aimed at Paul Rowley than it is the team.

He just comes a across a bit smug and has done since he was at Leigh.

Stick someone inoffensive/likeable in his place such as Darryl Powell or John Kear and i don't think there would be much negativity around TWP at all.

Well done to London and well deserved but i think both leagues would have been better off if TWP went up.

 

 

[Angelic Cynic]

9 hours ago, Kayakman said:

I say don't change a thing.  Noble knows what he is doing....Rowley deserves another year.  Argyle is the best owner in the business.

In RL there seems to be some 'panic button' which gets pushed far too often.  Toronto is going to be just fine...a stable plan with benchmarks.   Every box except one has been ticked so far.  In Year 3 of a 5 Year Plan.

Steady goes the ship!....just gotta keep paddlin.

   There are rumours that Rowley has chosen to leave - or will be leaving.

    kiyan posted in length but didn't mention Noble wanting a pre-season,for a whole new squad,to gel,in South Africa.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/salford-red-devils-fall-train-7817417

   Dr Koukash has been called many things,but he has kept his counsel about his early years at Salford.

   I think it is certain there will be huge changes at Toronto - on and off the field.

   I will be very surprised if Rowley is still in position in 2019.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, TheReaper said:

Don't know what any of that has to do with coach Rowley....

 

He came first and got promoted one year, came first and two point away from being promoted a second year. Jeez, two points from winning everything he could win and some want to fire him? I'd like to see how perfect everyone is at their jobs.

Have no fear, Mr Argyle would have set the season goal to Rowley. That would have been minimum reaching the Million Pound Game, which he has done.

However Rowley's personal goal would have been promotion to SL. Next season the bar will rise again, forget the five year plan as that's just a cushion for failure/excuse.

Rowley knows he has failed and he isn't the only one.