Tex Evans Thigh Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 So, big disappointment with GB and what now seems like a long road to get over Australia next year. I still think it’s achievable but how do we get there? My thoughts: Coach - need a change. I’d go with Wane on a full time basis. I think his motivational style would be perfect for international football. Back room - hard to say but I’m not sure what Sinfield is offering. Or Peacock for that matter. Schedule - mid-season game v a pacific island team and pre-tourni game v France as a minimum. Several meet ups during the season. Team - needs an overhaul. A lot of players at the end now and time for a few to step up. If everyone is fit I’d be looking at: Hardaker, Makinson, Percival, ???, Burgess/Grace/Handley Williams (depending on NRL form), Widdop (depending on Warrington form) Thompson, Hodgson (Bear with me) Burgess Bateman, Currie (injuries), Whitehead Burgess, Watts, Walmsley?, Clark, Jones Players that need to be put out to pasture - Hall, Mcgilvary, Hill, Graham. Others who aren’t up to it at international level like Lomax binned. Hodgson is going to get picked so we need to find a way to get the best out of him. I still think Widdop is our best half but has a lot to prove. I’m hoping some young guys step up as well but I believe we have the tools. We just need to plan and execute better. What’s everyone’s thoughts on the plan for 2020? Formerly Alistair Boyd-Meaney fifty thousand Poouunds from Keighley...weve had im gid." MIPM Project Management and Business Solutions " Discounts available for forum members contact me for details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moove Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 The biggest thing for me is getting back to picking players in their actual positions and picking players who are in form. That means Bennett leaves. Sinfield et al is probably a separate discussion, questionable qualifications for their roles but it's not really clear what they do. Agree with the players you mention being 'put out to pasture'. Although I'd like to see some younger players push on and get in ahead of them on merit. With Hodgson a lot depends on how we want to see England play. His style works fine when it's safety first, slowly slowly catchy monkey, but as we don't have too many line breakers or dominant forwards, we're reliant on our hooker to get us quick play-the-balls for the extra space. As Hodgson can't pass off the floor and doesn't seem to organise the players around him too well, it just slows everything down. A good season from Clarke should see Hodgson lose his spot. Roby is still our best hooker but I don't see him doing 80 minutes at international level for two more seasons and would rather have a younger lively backup if we've got one. It's difficult to judge the rest this early if we pick on form though. Can Johnstone stay fit? Can Connor stick to a position and find form? Can Widdop show he has more to his game than a pass and a high kick? Can any youngsters kick on and demand selection? Just feels like we've wasted a year though to be honest, all a bit depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Evans Thigh Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Moove said: The biggest thing for me is getting back to picking players in their actual positions and picking players who are in form. That means Bennett leaves. Sinfield et al is probably a separate discussion, questionable qualifications for their roles but it's not really clear what they do. Agree with the players you mention being 'put out to pasture'. Although I'd like to see some younger players push on and get in ahead of them on merit. With Hodgson a lot depends on how we want to see England play. His style works fine when it's safety first, slowly slowly catchy monkey, but as we don't have too many line breakers or dominant forwards, we're reliant on our hooker to get us quick play-the-balls for the extra space. As Hodgson can't pass off the floor and doesn't seem to organise the players around him too well, it just slows everything down. A good season from Clarke should see Hodgson lose his spot. Roby is still our best hooker but I don't see him doing 80 minutes at international level for two more seasons and would rather have a younger lively backup if we've got one. It's difficult to judge the rest this early if we pick on form though. Can Johnstone stay fit? Can Connor stick to a position and find form? Can Widdop show he has more to his game than a pass and a high kick? Can any youngsters kick on and demand selection? Just feels like we've wasted a year though to be honest, all a bit depressing. Forgot about Johnston. Hopefully he can make it back, great player. There’s a full thread on Hodgson but it feels like he tries too hard for England/GB. He’s an excellent NRL player and I disagree about the safety first stuff. He’s very skillful and creative in the most exciting attacking team in the NRL. I think it’s an attitude thing and someone needs to get hold of him and give him a clear directive on what his role is. Otherwise we’d be better off with Danny Houghton for 20 mins and Clarke coming on for him. Roby is one of the best players I’ve seen but his time is done at international level. Agree it feels wasted. The positive is we can start again...hopefully. Formerly Alistair Boyd-Meaney fifty thousand Poouunds from Keighley...weve had im gid." MIPM Project Management and Business Solutions " Discounts available for forum members contact me for details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Why are tickets so much more expensive for the Tottenham fixture compared to the Bolton and Elland Road game. £20, £25, £35, £45 at Bolton and Elland Road £25, £35, £45, £55, £70 at Tottenham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamfordsbeans Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Would imagine the prices for Tottenham reflect the extra cost of hiring the stadium.After the last few weeks its going to be a hard sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Why are tickets so much more expensive for the Tottenham fixture compared to the Bolton and Elland Road game. £20, £25, £35, £45 at Bolton and Elland Road £25, £35, £45, £55, £70 at Tottenham London Weighting . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Grace? Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, MatthewWoody said: Grace? Yeah that’s gotta be a mistake, can’t see him ever putting his hand up for England. Johnstone will surely be in there if fit. Hopefully Manfredi can get back to form and fitness too. It certainly does feel like a wasted year with the Dad’s Army approach. We’re very much in a transitional phase. Players like Walker, Smithies, Trueman and Newman could all be pushing for spots next year and I’d expect some other youngsters to break into SL and make an impact and potentially be in consideration if the focus is for 2021. I think the likes of Jake Wardle has potential to be international quality if he fills out. Very much depends on if he fulfills his potential and stays injury free though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Why are tickets so much more expensive for the Tottenham fixture compared to the Bolton and Elland Road game. £20, £25, £35, £45 at Bolton and Elland Road £25, £35, £45, £55, £70 at Tottenham Wait until you see the price of a pint down here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnleywelsh Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, MatthewWoody said: Grace? Welsh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, burnleywelsh said: Welsh ! I know, but some forumer said Grace Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzzz65 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said: Wait until you see the price of a pint down here These days Manchester and other Northern cities are expensive too. I was in Manchester for the Grand Final and I'd say the average was over £4 for ale. It's about £4.30 here in West London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Why are tickets so much more expensive for the Tottenham fixture compared to the Bolton and Elland Road game. £20, £25, £35, £45 at Bolton and Elland Road £25, £35, £45, £55, £70 at Tottenham Bolton stadium hire = tenner because they are skint Spurs stadium hire = more than a tenner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentAssassin Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, Scubby said: Bolton stadium hire = tenner because they are skint Spurs stadium hire = more than a tenner I don't think it's that much more. You are only talking a 5er on the lower band tickets. I imagine the 70 quid top bracket ones are far better than what Bolton or Leeds have to offer and is reflected accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Sack Kevin Sinfield and Wayne Bennett. We’ve immediately improved tenfold that way. Don’t appoint Shaun Wane. His brand of Rugby is as dull, one dimensional and robotic as Bennett’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I'm not usually one to criticise and have been happy with the national teams performances up until now but these performances have been poor. We seem to lack in so many areas. Our back line needs a complete overhaul as we don't seem to have any gamebreakers/danger men and creativity in the halves. In the pack I think we missed a Sam Burgess/Adrian Morley type player who rips into the opposition and feel that our front row were a bit too much just up and down without much skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RugbyLeagueGeek Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, JM2010 said: In the pack I think we missed a Sam Burgess/Adrian Morley type player who rips into the opposition and feel that our front row were a bit too much just up and down without much skill Ironically, we had Graham for much of the tour whose speciality used to be passing at the line and providing an extra dimension for the attack and creating more space for the forwards. Yet for some reason he hardly did it. So disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 This is the Australia team from 2015, not one player is around just 4 years later. If players get old together you have to make wholesale changes and rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, RugbyLeagueGeek said: Ironically, we had Graham for much of the tour whose speciality used to be passing at the line and providing an extra dimension for the attack and creating more space for the forwards. Yet for some reason he hardly did it. So disappointing. Tough, skillful forwards has always been the trademark of the English pack. Whitehead and Bateman fit that mould but we need at least one of our props and our loose forward to play that game in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 53 minutes ago, bazzzz65 said: These days Manchester and other Northern cities are expensive too. I was in Manchester for the Grand Final and I'd say the average was over £4 for ale. It's about £4.30 here in West London. Yep but compared to the pubs around places like Cas or Wigan it's a different beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RugbyLeagueGeek Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, JM2010 said: Tough, skillful forwards has always been the trademark of the English pack. Whitehead and Bateman fit that mould but we need at least one of our props and our loose forward to play that game in my opinion I completely agree. But the fact that we have/had one who fits that bill and then didn't play that way must have been a tactical/coaching decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Young guns in positions where we are short need to be part of the squad pronto. Can’t help but think we have wasted the past two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 There were loads of shortcomings in this Great Britain team. But in particular pace and athleticism in the backs and creativity in the halves. With another 12 months of development behind them (and assuming fit and healthy players) there is potentially a very different look for the Ashes. Full back: This is a very difficult position for England as full back is now the most important attacking position in Rugby League and our cupboard is very bare. Neither Hardaker (poor passing game) or Lomax (lack of pace) are world class. Let's hope the likes of Jack Walker or Jack Welsby (perhaps for 2021) can step up. Wings: If fit and firing then Makinson and Johnston are our best. Manfredi comes into the mix if he can regain form and fitness. Centres: Again we need athletic centres who offer a threat with ball in hand. For me this is Percival and Gildart with Harry Newman the best of the new breed at the moment. Stand off: Widdop was hugely disappointing in this last tour and if he is a standout for Wire in 2020 it says a lot about our comp. Depending on the half back I would go for a running and creative stand off and I think Williams in 2018 did a reasonable job. Scrum half: Jackson Hastings. Why, because he is the best available half we have and we should let him boss the team like he did at Salford and he will at Wigan. Harry Smith offered the best young half back performance I have seen against the Australian Schoolboys last time out but with Hastings to Wigan I am struggling to see how he will fulfil his potential. Middle Forwards: Tom Burgess, Thompson and Walmsley are nailed on if fit. Watts should be in as well. Again I would add some athleticism and youth in the likes of Matty Lees and Morgan Smithies. We need to see the likes of Oliver Wilson and Tom Holroyd fulfil their potential as well. Like Widdop, it will be interesting to see how George Burgess goes at Wigan. Edge forwards: Bateman and Whitehead (although the latter disappointed in this tour). I have always liked Greenwood as he has size which is valuable at this level. Hooker: The best combination for England is Roby and Clark. They both suit our style far more than Hodgson. I would have Roby in the ashes squad even if we didn't have him in 2021 for the World Cup. An ashes win is worth it. 1. Walker 2. Makinson 3. Gildart 4. Percival 5. Johnstone 6. Williams 7. Hastings 8. T. Burgess 9. Roby 10. Thompson 11. Bateman 12. Whitehead 13. Smithies 14. Walmsely 15. Clark 16. Lees 17. Watts For 2021 I would hope to see Welsby at full back and Newman in the centre and some more of the talented young forwards coming into contention. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I’d like to see us thinking about the RLWC21 in our selection processes for the tour. I’d also like to see us a little bit more adventurous in our selections. Something along the lines of: 1. Tomkins/Walker 2. Manfredi/Makinson 3. Watkins/Gildart 4. Percival 5. Johnstone 6. Williams/Lomax 7. Hastings 8. Watts 9. Clarke 10. Thompson 11. Bateman 12. Whitehead 13. Smithies Clearly depends on people staying fit and reaching a good performance level (Watkins - but appreciate this is unlikely!). But plenty of pace, youth and skill in that side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, Johnoco said: Correct, Manchester and Leeds are easily as expensive as London, drinks wise. Easily. Try drinking in Central London and get back to me Central Manchester might rival the cost of somewhere like Fulham but won't be anywhere like Soho.... I paid £6 for an IPA in Covent Garden last weekend... It was a normal pub in the afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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