The General 'Toronto Wolfpack' Discussion Thread

[Tommygilf]

2 hours ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

Ideally, if there is enough interest to watch Toronto play league 1 and Championship teams from small northern English towns, there is enough interest for a domestic competition where they will play much more familiar names. New York, Ottawa, Toronto and any other NA teams playing each other will long term be more sustainable. That will be genuine expansion. 

I don't want to pi$$ on your blanket, but that's just not the way expansion of the sport works. The expansion of RL, and indeed every sport, has relied on a mixture of expats and the strong core supporting far flung territories. That's why South Africa could keep playing RU and cricket, or Italy and Argentina soccer and RU (set up by brits), or NZ and Australia RL. Even if they had a native league, the were supported by the centre going out repeatedly to strengthen the outpost.

Bit like a snowball in someways.

[The Future is League]

Just now, Dave T said:

The RFL and SL may decide to replace them (I'm not sure how) but that would be different to Fev acting like idiots on Twitter. 

Agree, but at some time Sky will want some money back for less games this season, or a reduction in TV money for next season or come the next TV contract.

[TIWIT]

2 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

Other clubs also have access to revenue.  The NHL is restarting in a few weeks here.  They have chosen two Cities (Toronto and Edmonton) that they will base 31 teams out of.  All games will be played at the same arena and revenues shared amongst the 31 teams.

That's how a mature sports league operates.

24 teams not all 31.

[Tommygilf]

3 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Things like that pretty much highlight that you probably aren't ready to be an SL club. 

Considering how the SL clubs feasted on the Bulls for a number of years actually it might! 

I agree though

[Damien]

2 minutes ago, Scubby said:

So Fev can manage that on zero central funding like Toronto had? Plus all the testing and bio-security costs?

Course they can. All the fans of the top Championship clubs have been saying how TV money should not be distributed fairly and should be on league placing. Oh I forget, arguments like that always change when those clubs reach Super League.

[Dave T]

Just now, The Future is League said:

Agree, but at some time Sky will want some money back for less games this season, or a reduction in TV money for next season or come the next TV contract.

We do still however have enough games to stage to allow us to meet our obligations with Sky. 

That's not to say they won't want to pay less now. 

[Scubby]

Just now, Dave T said:

To be fair, that isn't the issue. Last Thursday those things were fine for TWP. Now they are an excuse. 

We don't know what is going on behind the scenes Dave. Remember the Catalans and Toronto bond for the Cup. This is a ####show and how it was left so late is tinpot. TWP could have said no to restarting in May and I don't think the game would have forced them.

[Smudger06]

5 minutes ago, Scubby said:

So Fev can manage that on zero central funding like Toronto had? Plus all the testing and bio-security costs?

Probably will just sell a bit of their land. 

[redjonn]

I do wonder why many say we lose credibility... to whom, the millions that ain't interested on our sport,

or the few that are of which many always say we don't have credibility and the administrators couldn't run anything - normally based on not knowing any detail of whats gone on.

Only thing that I have credibility with or not are some of the posts I read... often including my own when I reread them...

We have rules in place that should be followed or if scrapping the rules a good reason for scrapping them... taken account all are in similar boat.

[CanadianRugger]

2 minutes ago, TIWIT said:

24 teams not all 31.

Thanks, forgot it's the playoffs

[Scubby]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

We do still however have enough games to stage to allow us to meet our obligations with Sky. 

That's not to say they won't want to pay less now. 

They can absorb less, they all pocketed Toronto's share anyway didn't they?

[Damien]

Just now, Smudger06 said:

Probably will just sell a bit of their land. 

And people say the Toronto business plan is flawed.

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Considering how the SL clubs feasted on the Bulls for a number of years actually it might! 

I agree though

Tbf those clubs donated a fair bit to the Bulls. They eventually lost patience with the soap opera and refused to route central funding to the Bulls setup. Not dissimilar to TWP. That should be remembered when people make out this was all about hating TWP. 

[Dave T]

Just now, Scubby said:

They can absorb less, they all pocketed Toronto's share anyway didn't they?

There is no such thing as Toronto share. 

[Scubby]

1 minute ago, Smudger06 said:

Probably will just sell a bit of their land. 

Yep, buyers are queuing up for that kind of purchase atm.

[Harry Stottle]

2 hours ago, Phil said:

That’s it for me, Rugby League can f*** right off.

A small game run by small minds, in small towns, watched by fans with smaller minds whose vision doesn’t extend beyond the shopping centre built on the decommissioned pit head. 
 

 

Just how I like it Phil, must dash the whippet is pawing at the door an'mi flat caps on't nail in t'allway, see ya.

[The Future is League]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

Tbf those clubs donated a fair bit to the Bulls. They eventually lost patience with the soap opera and refused to route central funding to the Bulls setup. Not dissimilar to TWP. That should be remembered when people make out this was all about hating TWP. 

Lets not forget the the Super League clubs got the Wolfpacks TV money, 

[Scubby]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

There is no such thing as Toronto share. 

Well they can absorb it because all 11 clubs got more Sky money in 2020 than they did in 2019 because Toronto got promoted. Doesn't matter how you pitch it.

[wiganermike]

11 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

= less TV money

TV contract is for a set number of SL games, not a set number of teams. Toronto weren't in the SL when the deal was struck so not having them playing is unlikely to affect it.

[THE RED ROOSTER]

Three Points

First, Toronto are gone.. Full stop from Super League no comebacks and an 11 Team Super League this year . this takes care of the issue of relegation.

Secondly, the clubs that want to go up to Super League, Toulouse, London, Widnes, Leigh, Bradford and Feathersone play the season out as a six team comp. Winners go up for 2021. One proviso, No dual registration players, You go up with your own club's players or not.

Thirdly, David Argyle should be banned by the RFL, Super League and NRL from having a shareholding in a Rugby League club as not having passed the "fit and proper person" test

That is all

[Scubby]

1 minute ago, wiganermike said:

TV contract is for a set number of SL games, not a set number of teams. Toronto weren't in the SL when the deal was struck so not having them playing is unlikely to affect it.

Yep Sky won't see it as tarnishing the competition at all. Nothing to see here lol.

[Dave T]

3 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Well they can absorb it because all 11 clubs got more Sky money in 2020 than they did in 2019 because Toronto got promoted. Doesn't matter how you pitch it.

It absolutely does. 

[The Hallucinating Goose]

So Fev are looking at wrangling their way into the SL and apparently at least one agent is already touting his Toronto players round other SL clubs. 

[Dave T]

7 minutes ago, Scubby said:

We don't know what is going on behind the scenes Dave. Remember the Catalans and Toronto bond for the Cup. This is a ####show and how it was left so late is tinpot. TWP could have said no to restarting in May and I don't think the game would have forced them.

Benefit of the doubt can't always go one way. 

This is a car crash alright. 

[Dave T]

4 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Lets not forget the the Super League clubs got the Wolfpacks TV money, 

Wolfpack never delivered a TV deal that paid money AFAIK.