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1 minute ago, GeordieSaint said:

The information release was after the podcast. Adapted to suit the needs of our SH “friends”.

You obviously are a  major decision maker and know what should be done.

Talent is secondary to whether players are confident.

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1 hour ago, Allora said:

Maybe they are not happy with the shared Hotel and Gym facilities.

Why would the Rugby League teams administrators   look at what the Union teams accept or approve?

They would look at what they are getting.

 

 

They'd be using Headingley's Leeds Beckett Uni Gym facilities. These are used by pro athletes all the time, for example Leeds United used them for their first days back in preseason a couple of weeks ago an England RL in a mid season training session perfectly well in a bio secure way. Indeed I believe the kiwis have been there regularly before 

It is a huge professional campus with multiple facilities within it. Asking them to close all of it down to anyone who is not the 30 odd man Kiwi travelling team would be unreasonable. Likewise hotels, what are they actually expecting beyond what everyone else says is acceptable?

Its all conjecture anyway, I hope those trial games are good!

So you are saying there was no isolation bubble at all?

Maybe that is why the Kiwis were worried?

I am neither for or against what has happened but some of the mad rubbish posted on this site in the last two days makes you wonder.

 

 

 

You do realise they wouldn't all be using the facilities at the same time don't you?

As an example, when I worked in Scotland I used a gym that was part of a Sport Scotland Facility, in the time that I was there it was used by, amongst others. Scotland FA, Glasgow Warriors RU, Scotland RL, British Sailing, British Gymnasts training for the Commonwealth games in Glasgow and several lower level football teams in pre-season, pretty sure I've missed some.

Even in normal times, the facilities such as pitches, changing facilities, and sports halls were for their exclusive use for the times they were allocated, even the gym and weight training areas were blocked out for 2 hour slots. There were times when individual athletes trained at the same time as the general public, but that seemed to be their choice

In the current circumstances I'd expect this to be even tighter, probably with cleaning regimes in place in between uses. I think what Tommy meant was the Kiwis would not get exclusive use for the duration of the world cup, that does not mean they will be mixing with all and sundry, but you seem to chose to portray it that way. 

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13 minutes ago, Cumbrian Fanatic said:

You do realise they wouldn't all be using the facilities at the same time don't you?

As an example, when I worked in Scotland I used a gym that was part of a Sport Scotland Facility, in the time that I was there it was used by, amongst others. Scotland FA, Glasgow Warriors RU, Scotland RL, British Sailing, British Gymnasts training for the Commonwealth games in Glasgow and several lower level football teams in pre-season, pretty sure I've missed some.

Even in normal times, the facilities such as pitches, changing facilities, and sports halls were for their exclusive use for the times they were allocated, even the gym and weight training areas were blocked out for 2 hour slots. There were times when individual athletes trained at the same time as the general public, but that seemed to be their choice

In the current circumstances I'd expect this to be even tighter, probably with cleaning regimes in place in between uses. I think what Tommy meant was the Kiwis would not get exclusive use for the duration of the world cup, that does not mean they will be mixing with all and sundry, but you seem to chose to portray it that way. 

Exactly 

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2 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

The super tuff NRL players are obviously not as tuff as their Union and Olympic fellow Australians 

TARTS 

Tough guy.

You still as tough when some ones close to you dies,

Talent is secondary to whether players are confident.

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1 minute ago, Allora said:

Tough guy.

You still as tough when some ones close to you dies,

What , you think I don't know people who've died and been very ill through Covid ? 

Bunch of Tarts , get vaccinated and come over , or are you going to exile yourselves for eternity , this virus isn't going away , live with it ,or live alone in fear for the rest of your lives 

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36 minutes ago, Cumbrian Fanatic said:

You do realise they wouldn't all be using the facilities at the same time don't you?

As an example, when I worked in Scotland I used a gym that was part of a Sport Scotland Facility, in the time that I was there it was used by, amongst others. Scotland FA, Glasgow Warriors RU, Scotland RL, British Sailing, British Gymnasts training for the Commonwealth games in Glasgow and several lower level football teams in pre-season, pretty sure I've missed some.

Even in normal times, the facilities such as pitches, changing facilities, and sports halls were for their exclusive use for the times they were allocated, even the gym and weight training areas were blocked out for 2 hour slots. There were times when individual athletes trained at the same time as the general public, but that seemed to be their choice

In the current circumstances I'd expect this to be even tighter, probably with cleaning regimes in place in between uses. I think what Tommy meant was the Kiwis would not get exclusive use for the duration of the world cup, that does not mean they will be mixing with all and sundry, but you seem to chose to portray it that way. 

So you hope someone wipes down the weight bench before your session.

That is not a Bubble at all.

Its a random joint use of a Gym with the hope that the basic pay cleaners are doing more than they are getting paid to do.

Good luck with that.
You wonder why AUS and NZ do not want  to visit Visit Covid Island.

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3 minutes ago, Allora said:

So you hope someone wipes down the weight bench before your session.

That is not a Bubble at all.

Its a random joint use of a Gym with the hope that the basic pay cleaners are doing more than they are getting to do.

You wonder why AUS and NZ do not want  to visit Visit Covid Island.

You really haven't read what I said, or deliberately ignored it, discussion becomes pointless when it gets to that.

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4 minutes ago, Allora said:

Tough guy.

You still as tough when some ones close to you dies,

Are you sure you are neither for or against?

To recap, the A/NRL want to cancel this year’s World Cup, and gave the organisers 4 minutes notice that was their intention, bringing NZRL with them. They had asked for a set of COVID protocols, which have been given to them: there is ample precedent for these measures working (particularly when allied with the offer of vaccines). They did not ask the players. They have idly suggested that maybe 2022, lolz, without addressing the pretty much insurmountable barriers. They know the impact that cancelling the event will have on the rest of the world game, because their directors have spent the last 5 years sitting through monthly board meetings on the subject. This is all in the public domain. 

It is purely us and them - they unilaterally announced their withdrawal in a manner which they knew would cause the maximum damage to the international game, with no Plan B, and having had their concerns specifically addressed. They aren’t even bothering to address any of those points. Their behaviour by any measure is actively hostile to every other rugby league playing nation, and seemingly many of their own players. 

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Simple: Nine and Fox don't want an upstart like SportsFlick entering the market. The NRL changed their rules for Nine and Fox and took the games off their own platforms to placate them. Nine and Fox run rugby league in Australia.

Also the IRL want to commercialise their calendar. That means getting sponsors from event to event like other international sports and selling TV rights like other international sports. This is a threat to the NRL, who see the sport of rugby league as their exclusive commercial domain. So they are sabotaging the IRL and have already started recruiting people to value it for a hostile takeover.  

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3 minutes ago, Allora said:

You can do one mate.

Australia  and NZ can make their own minds up.

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NZRL signed a Participation Agreement. They then joined A/NRL in the 4 minutes notice announcement. I am not sure they have made their own minds up, to be honest. 

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The ARLC and the NRL do not want to be part of the WC regardless of any perceived health issues. They have also been economical with the truth on player opinions and other matters. The fact is the COVID situation is simply a convenient untruth (to reverse Al Gore's famous line).

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4 minutes ago, steavis said:

Simple: Nine and Fox don't want an upstart like SportsFlick entering the market. The NRL changed their rules for Nine and Fox and took the games off their own platforms to placate them. Nine and Fox run rugby league in Australia 

Which in a way is fine, if that’s the reality. They have had years to work out how they want to use their power, and come up with a plan. Their approach, lest we forget, was instead to wait till 4 minutes to midnight to explode a tournament on which the world game was entirely dependent. 

I have no particular issue with the NRL’s argument that they develop the players, and that they should have a major say in the international game. Let’s have an open debate around that, and involve the players. How about let’s not destroy the IRL, the RFL and the hopes and plans of developing the international game for the next 4 years while we are going about it. 

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3 minutes ago, steavis said:

Simple: Nine and Fox don't want an upstart like SportsFlick entering the market. The NRL changed their rules for Nine and Fox and took the games off their own platforms to placate them. Nine and Fox run rugby league in Australia 

It was the same in 2017 when Channel 10 took the rights and 9 and Fox hardly gave it a mention despite it being on their doorstep.

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Just now, Exiled Wiganer said:

Which in a way is fine, if that’s the reality. They have had years to work out how they want to use their power, and come up with a plan. Their approach, lest we forget, was instead to wait till 4 minutes to midnight to explode a tournament on which the world game was entirely dependent. 

I have no particular issue with the NRL’s argument that they develop the players, and that they should have a major say in the international game. Let’s have an open debate around that, and involve the players. How about let’s not destroy the IRL, the RFL and the hopes and plans of developing the international game for the next 4 years while we are owing about it. 

But those tactics drive down the value of the asset they are trying to buy. You destroy it and you get it cheaper.

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8 minutes ago, Allora said:

Good luck with that.

You wonder why AUS and NZ do not want  to visit Visit Covid Island.

The attitude of Aus/NZ to Covid will come back and bite them

Looking at their plan and its effect on their economy there won't be many Aussues left with spare cash to spend on the NRL over the next few years

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1 minute ago, steavis said:

But those tactics drive down the value of the asset they are trying to buy. You destroy it and you get it cheaper.

Err, we are talking about a game, not another series of Succession. They could have easily taken over the international game without destroying it first. 

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Lets face it the NRL supposedly cant even make a profit from the Pacific Tests and held a shambolic 2017 World Cup which didnt return promised profits and was only saved by Tonga fans in NZ and great scenes at matches in PNG.

They are in no position to say they are the best people to run the international game.

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7 minutes ago, Allora said:

You can do one mate.

Australia  and NZ can make their own minds up.

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You mean the Aussies can make up NZs mind for them dont you...🤣🤣

Uk - covid Island?? - you do realise its easier to keep NZ and Australia safe than say Watford don't you? -  NZ and Aus are off the world travel routes and not very important countries that no one really talks about or needs to visit - the UK is the 2nd most visited country on earth and London is one of the 3 world cities - Oz has 2 medium size cities that arnt really important on the world stage and they still can't get their people vaccinations moving.

So easy to throw stones from your high horse when you ignore basic facts marra.

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2 minutes ago, Damien said:

Lets face it the NRL supposedly cant even make a profit from the Pacific Tests and held a shambolic 2017 World Cup which didnt return promised profits and was only saved by Tonga fans in NZ and great scenes at matches in PNG.

They are in no position to say they are the best people to run the international game.

To run it successfully, you must first want it to succeed. 

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1 minute ago, fighting irish said:

To run it successfully, you must first want it to succeed. 

Which is true. And they may not. Indeed they probably don’t. But they are big enough and strong enough to present their case. The key people in this are the players - what do they want to happen? How much does international football matter to them? If enough of them care, then even the NRL ought to take that into account. If instead none of them cares and they only want to play SoO, then we are left with a potential SL and semi pro international game. I suspect plenty of them would like to play, and the NRL knows this, because they didn’t ask them in advance, but let’s have a proper debate. 

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8 minutes ago, Damien said:

Lets face it the NRL supposedly cant even make a profit from the Pacific Tests and held a shambolic 2017 World Cup which didnt return promised profits and was only saved by Tonga fans in NZ and great scenes at matches in PNG.

They are in no position to say they are the best people to run the international game.

The also wanted to withhold some of the financial guarantee they'd promised the IRL in 2017 because it hadn't gone as well as forecast. 

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2 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

Which is true. And they may not. Indeed they probably don’t. But they are big enough and strong enough to present their case. The key people in this are the players - what do they want to happen? How much does international football matter to them? If enough of them care, then even the NRL ought to take that into account. If instead none of them cares and they only want to play SoO, then we are left with a potential SL and semi pro international game. I suspect plenty of them would like to play, and the NRL knows this, because they didn’t ask them in advance, but let’s have a proper debate. 

I think their recent behaviour precludes sensible debate, for the foreseeable future. There's a rat in the house. 

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