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If Toulouse get into SL, Magic should be 2 separate Saturdays in the Year. 1x Newcastle and 1x France.

For the SL clubs going to France, 2 of them can play Toulouse and Catalans the following week (and maybe the other 2 the week before) so fans can make it a holiday. Toulouse v Catalans headlines the French Magic and it can be held at a large 40-50k venue.

It is obvious that Saturday always out performs Sunday in a 2-day magic weekend which shows there isn't a glut of neutrals or fans staying the whole weekend. Newcastle could then go all out to try and get 45k+ for that Saturday.

Mix the teams around so they can experience both over the years.

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3 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

That's just one place though and won't represent the overall picture. MM was set up initially to help grow the game in Wales. The idea of moving it around was to generate similar interest elsewhere. I'm not sure it has 

That’s a wider debate. This was about attendances

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11 minutes ago, Scubby said:

If Toulouse get into SL, Magic should be 2 separate Saturdays in the Year. 1x Newcastle and 1x France.

For the SL clubs going to France, 2 of them can play Toulouse and Catalans the following week (and maybe the other 2 the week before) so fans can make it a holiday. Toulouse v Catalans headlines the French Magic and it can be held at a large 40-50k venue.

It is obvious that Saturday always out performs Sunday in a 2-day magic weekend which shows there isn't a glut of neutrals or fans staying the whole weekend. Newcastle could then go all out to try and get 45k+ for that Saturday.

Mix the teams around so they can experience both over the years.

I like that. Pre covid Leeds were due to play Catalans in a double header with Toulouse in Toulouse and we were really looking forward to it.

Only a bank holiday could make the Sunday a better attended event in the UK I'd think.

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25 minutes ago, Scubby said:

If Toulouse get into SL, Magic should be 2 separate Saturdays in the Year. 1x Newcastle and 1x France.

For the SL clubs going to France, 2 of them can play Toulouse and Catalans the following week (and maybe the other 2 the week before) so fans can make it a holiday. Toulouse v Catalans headlines the French Magic and it can be held at a large 40-50k venue.

It is obvious that Saturday always out performs Sunday in a 2-day magic weekend which shows there isn't a glut of neutrals or fans staying the whole weekend. Newcastle could then go all out to try and get 45k+ for that Saturday.

Mix the teams around so they can experience both over the years.

How do you get more neutrals to stay in the ground? We need to make SL more high profile and get people who don’t necessarily watch RL to come because it’s an event. The RU World Cup played 3 games in Newcastle and got 50k+ for each game. 
 

I think having 2 venues could be a good idea. Maybe have it on a bank holiday with Newcastle on Saturday and France for example on the Sunday 

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1 minute ago, Mr Plow said:

How do you get more neutrals to stay in the ground? We need to make SL more high profile and get people who don’t necessarily watch RL to come because it’s an event. The RU World Cup played 3 games in Newcastle and got 50k+ for each game. 
 

I think having 2 venues could be a good idea. Maybe have it on a bank holiday with Newcastle on Saturday and France for example on the Sunday 

Tbf I think this is where 9s could work better. You can see your team, multiple times through the day at different points, against differential opponents. Much more chance of people coming in and staying for the majority of the day rather than the exodus' we see at some points.

That point also applies to the weekend as a whole come to think of it.

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52 minutes ago, Spidey said:

That’s a wider debate. This was about attendances

Yes.....which haven't really grown year on year. Thus the number is likely to be made up of existing RL fans rather than new ones. Although I'm sure there will be some new ones in there too.

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13 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

35,104 which sounds very good although of course it’s the usual reality of there only ever being so many people in the ground at the same time 

 

12 hours ago, Whippet13 said:

That is very decent, 25k tomorrow hopefully, 60k overall would be pretty good considering the circumstances this year. 

35k was a good effort yesterday, the Sunday games are a tougher sell so 25k+ and a 60k overall would be a great result in the attendance slump Covid times. Another city is going to have to put in a very strong bid including a too good to turn down financial incentive to take this event away from Newcastle imo 

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1 hour ago, Scubby said:

If Toulouse get into SL, Magic should be 2 separate Saturdays in the Year. 1x Newcastle and 1x France.

For the SL clubs going to France, 2 of them can play Toulouse and Catalans the following week (and maybe the other 2 the week before) so fans can make it a holiday. Toulouse v Catalans headlines the French Magic and it can be held at a large 40-50k venue.

It is obvious that Saturday always out performs Sunday in a 2-day magic weekend which shows there isn't a glut of neutrals or fans staying the whole weekend. Newcastle could then go all out to try and get 45k+ for that Saturday.

Mix the teams around so they can experience both over the years.

I like the idea of 2 separate magic events, the Saturday is always far more popular than the Sunday.

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1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Cardiff Average 61k ish

Newcastle Average 66.5K ish

+9% Growth

Let's face it over 14 years that is next to nothing. It's not even keeping up with UK population growth in that time. Its certainly not keeping up with attendance growth in other sports. The sport needs far more growth than that and should be aiming far higher. The last Newcastle attendance was only a couple of thousand more than the last one in Cardiff, hence why it was moved to Liverpool.

Like so much in RL there was nothing strategic about Magic. It started because Cardiff offered money for it. It copied the NRL double header concept and extended it. RL fans think Magic is an example of big time when neutral sports fans think the opposite, namely that it shows a lack of confidence to sell out even double headers in big stadiums and even at that people see a ground that often isn't even a quarter or half full. It has then moved to new locations, as attendances fell in each, to then entice fans to try somewhere new to keep it fresh. The sports administrators thinking that is the solution rather making it better and widening the appeal. 

Fans seem to like the booze up and weekend away element and I've enjoyed Magic myself but I've always been ambivalent and pragmatic about it. I have yet to see any figures regarding the monetary benefits to the sport and the attendance is often what we would get for an average weekly attendance anyway, possibly less when the same people watching over 2 days are taken into account, with much the same fans. As someone that dislikes loop fixtures and would much rather have a straight home and away format I certainly wish that it didn't exist in its present form, as an extra loop fixture, but that's a wider debate.

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2 hours ago, Spidey said:

Cardiff Average 61k ish

Newcastle Average 66.5K ish

+9% Growth

As an event it is popular and a success but clearly pretty much static. Your statistic is misleading because you leave out  the situation whereby the first and previous Newcastle event was almost identical and the current one will be a drop on that. You could make an argument for the initial event having a novelty factor which extracted people that possibly did not attend future events but the event was established in the location which should at least in part offset that. This weekend will most likely see a drop below the average for Newcastle

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I'm OK with Magic staying in Newcastle and in its current form.

With the Thunder doing well and grass roots growth in the region, even if Magic doesn't attract a huge number of locals, it will raise the profile of the game in the area and that is no bad thing.

If we don't see a big Challenge Cup semi final crowd then the Magic Saturday and Sunday attendances are likely to be the 3rd and 4th largest of the domestic season.  It seems weird that many people want to bin that off.

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6 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I'm OK with Magic staying in Newcastle and in its current form.

With the Thunder doing well and grass roots growth in the region, even if Magic doesn't attract a huge number of locals, it will raise the profile of the game in the area and that is no bad thing.

If we don't see a big Challenge Cup semi final crowd then the Magic Saturday and Sunday attendances are likely to be the 3rd and 4th largest of the domestic season.  It seems weird that many people want to bin that off.

Newcastle got 1600 for a game vs Whitehaven. The second Toulouse go up RFL need to tell Newcastle they are playing at Magic next year, Sunday 3pm and Newcastle can show everyone what they can do marketing wise. 

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3 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Anybody who is suggesting Derby needs to stop drinking. Right now. Grim city. Grim pubs. Grim stadium. And that’s coming from someone who has lived in Leigh their entire life.*

*Currently travelling by train to Newcastle having driven all of 14 minutes from home, and that included a Maccies detour

Pride Park is quite a distance from the centre. Also, as with a lot of small UK cities the centre is dead.

It should stay at Newcastle and build it up as an event. It needs more marketing in Newcastle, as when the NFL is on in London.

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1 hour ago, Swansea Jack said:

I wish that Sky cameras would show more of the supporters enjoying themselves outside and inside the ground. Instead of the continuous prattling of the studio experts.

It is the supporters who make the game.

They did have a go, showing the Pig chasing the Butcher was funny. 

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7 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

We're not going to have two magic weekends. Clear answer is Newcastle play someone to make is 3 games a day whilst Toulouse and Cat take their 3rd game on the road in France  (Mon, Avignon, etc).

Do you really think Sky are going to send a whole technical and presentation team over to France. It is a TV event that Sky actually enjoy because they get 6 games in one venue, giving them great value for money as their production costs are vastly reduced.

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1 minute ago, Padge said:

Do you really think Sky are going to send a whole technical and presentation team over to France. It is a TV event that Sky actually enjoy because they get 6 games in one venue, giving them great value for money as their production costs are vastly reduced.

I think his idea (different to mine) was to have a single French derby on the road in France, with Newcastle Thunder providing the sixth magic game and hopefully a lot more local fans. Not a terrible idea.

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18 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

25,762 in today

 

17 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Overall weekend attendance of 60,866

I don't think there is anything wrong at all with these numbers given the circumstances. 

Of course, following this with a full house for England vs. Samoa to kick off the World Cup next month would have been perfect but I am just winding myself up now.

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16 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Overall weekend attendance of 60,866

That is a great overall attendance considering all the current difficulties and a good rebound from the disappointment of Liverpool. In normal times this weekend would have been on the same level as other magics in Newcastle I would imagine.

Seems to have followed a similar pattern to when it went back to Cardiff after being in Edinburgh for two years. Two disappointing attendances in Scotland, went back to Wales, rebounded well, difference then of course was it was moved away from Cardiff again. I agree with others when they say it should be kept in Newcastle for the foreseeable future. 

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3 minutes ago, Scubby said:

I think his idea (different to mine) was to have a single French derby on the road in France, with Newcastle Thunder providing the sixth magic game and hopefully a lot more local fans. Not a terrible idea.

So Sky, who it is obvious have no interest in lower league games, are offered a game they have no interest in showing whilst a good derby game at the level they want to show are told "fek oof".

We really now how to treat our broadcast partners with that one.

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56 minutes ago, Scubby said:

I think his idea (different to mine) was to have a single French derby on the road in France, with Newcastle Thunder providing the sixth magic game and hopefully a lot more local fans. Not a terrible idea.

That's the idea.  France gets to take a SL game on the road.  Newcastle get to advertise and market their team on the Sunday 3pm game to get the locals interested. 

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Magic attendence in 2023 will be very different if SL goes down to 10 clubs, potentially 2 of them French with minimal away support. It would be the equivalent of 2 double headers.

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