Jughead Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 I’ve no problems with Johnstone or Connor being selected, I welcome it actually and think it adds an interesting dynamic to an otherwise disinteresting exhibition game (IMO), but putting Scotland/Germany and Trinidad next to their names when neither has played or seemed to declare any interest in playing for those nations is a bit of a stretch from The RFL. If English players are picked, so be it. It’s an interesting story how Tom Johnstone would be going up against Tommy Makinson and Ryan Hall with the World Cup less than six months away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meast Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Old Frightful said: "Meanwhile, Jake Connor, who played in the inaugural All Stars fixture last summer, will once again represent his family’s Trinidadian heritage." WTF?!?! Did he buy a Billy Ocean record at some time in his life? His Grandfather is Trinidadian. Edited April 22, 2022 by meast 3 Huddersfield Giants Supporters Association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Jughead said: I’ve no problems with Johnstone or Connor being selected, I welcome it actually and think it adds an interesting dynamic to an otherwise disinteresting exhibition game (IMO), but putting Scotland/Germany and Trinidad next to their names when neither has played or seemed to declare any interest in playing for those nations is a bit of a stretch from The RFL. If English players are picked, so be it. It’s an interesting story how Tom Johnstone would be going up against Tommy Makinson and Ryan Hall with the World Cup less than six months away. At least Johnstone was born in Germany, not going 2 generations back to shoehorn him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandOffHalf Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I'd still have Hall very much in the frame for England, and I think his form over the last month has been really good. Sure, he's not as fast, but he still scores tries, is dependable, and really strong in carrying the ball out. Pretty much the same goes for Jermaine McGillvary. As long as they are fit, I'd have them both in the squad. Johnstone should be pumped and raring to go in this game, as he tries to convince Wane that he's durable and safe enough. As should Connor! Looking forward to seeing how they both go, but it does look a little strange to see Trinidad and Scotland/Germany next to their names. Nothing wrong with putting England there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 IMO Hall has had his time at that level and it’s time to move on . 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, meast said: His Grandfather is Trinidadian. my grandad is Austin but hes never been to Texas 2 see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandOffHalf Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, DavidM said: IMO Hall has had his time at that level and it’s time to move on . Don't you think though that his carrying of the ball out from his end is important and impressive and something that you wouldn't get from a lot of English wingers? I can see that both lads on the wing from 2017 are slowing down but I still think their power and composure would add to England in a big, tight game. I dunno... Maybe I'm a bit misty-eyed... Either way, I hope Johnstone has a stormer and does what he can to open Wane's eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, UTK said: Picking Garcia when France and Wales are meant to be playing on that same weekend is rather disrespectful to the actual international game to say the least. Not unsurprising however. I get that he isnt picking Saints overseas players because there will be 6/7 players in the England squad. I just don’t understand why he is then picking Catalan overseas players when they will be providing more players to the French national team. It just seems disrespectful as if they are treating a genuine international without any respect. Made even worse by also picking a player who will likely be the French captain. Edited April 22, 2022 by bobbruce 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, StandOffHalf said: Don't you think though that his carrying of the ball out from his end is important and impressive and something that you wouldn't get from a lot of English wingers? Pace… we need lots of it. Hall has none. Neither does McGilvary. Our opponents will have tonnes of it. You need pace to finish in the fine margins of top level sport. (The likes of Makinson and Johnstone are much better options) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: Pace… we need lots of it. Hall has none. Neither does McGilvary. Our opponents will have tonnes of it. You need pace to finish in the fine margins of top level sport. (The likes of Makinson and Johnstone are much better options) England may not even make the semis if this type of approach continues. Samoa and Tonga are going to be pumped with top talent. Agree totally, we need this side brimming with all the pace and skill we can find. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: Pace… we need lots of it. Hall has none. Neither does McGilvary. Our opponents will have tonnes of it. You need pace to finish in the fine margins of top level sport. (The likes of Makinson and Johnstone are much better options) Hall and McGilvary are both way past it and have been for some time. Neither should have been picked in 2019 for GB, never mind be picked now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTK Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, bobbruce said: I get that he isnt picking Saints overseas players because there will be 6/7 players in the England squad. I just don’t understand why he is then picking Catalan overseas players when they will be providing more players to the French national team. It just seems disrespectful as if they are treating a genuine international without any respect. Made even worse by also picking a player who will likely be the French captain. Very good point I hadn't even factored in that impact on Catalans, will be the same issue across the league for Welsh reps from different SL sides not being considered part of the representative burden. Double standards between an exhibition game and an actual international match really is an unacceptable stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksy Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Scubby said: England may not even make the semis if this type of approach continues. Samoa and Tonga are going to be pumped with top talent. Agree totally, we need this side brimming with all the pace and skill we can find. I hope im wrong but i dont think we will. Wane so far has been underwhelming. When he should of been inspiring. Edited April 22, 2022 by jacksy Rugby Union the only game in the world were the spectators handle the ball more than the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, jacksy said: I hope im wrong but i dont think we will. Wane so far has been underwhelming. When he should of been inspiring. If Samoa beat us in the opening game we will face Tonga in the QF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandOffHalf Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, GeordieSaint said: Pace… we need lots of it. Hall has none. Neither does McGilvary. Our opponents will have tonnes of it. You need pace to finish in the fine margins of top level sport. (The likes of Makinson and Johnstone are much better options) I agree on Makinson. Johnstone though - as much as I am a big fan of his speed and tries - is totally unproven at international level. He also can be defensively suspect. Hall brings years of experience and of doing well on the international stage. All I'm saying is that that built-up muscle memory counts for quite a lot in the heat of a close-fought test match. I'm not saying I'd pick him as first choice winger; I just think he's still in the picture. Edited April 23, 2022 by StandOffHalf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Never knew Jake Connor was of Trinidadian heritage. Someone should write a calypso about him. ’Connor, lovely Connor, The full back with de tricks, Him wan’ play for Inglan, But Shaun Wane him did not pick, So him play for de All Stars, Cos him get on people’s wick’ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Damien said: Hall and McGilvary are both way past it and have been for some time. Neither should have been picked in 2019 for GB, never mind be picked now. Complete rubbish 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Complete rubbish Another compelling argument. Judging by plenty of posts and threads on this topic many seem to agree with me and not you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Old Frightful Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Man of Kent said: Never knew Jake Connor was of Trinidadian heritage. Someone should write a calypso about him. ’Connor, lovely Connor, The full back with de tricks, Him wan’ play for Inglan, But Shaun Wane him did not pick, So him play for de All Stars, Cos him get on people’s wick’ "When I saw the Pistols and The Clash I realised it didn't seem that difficult, they didn't seem like they could play very well either, so the thing was to form a band then work it out. We didn't even know who was going to play what - we passed around all the instruments until we found what we were comfortable with. I wasn't comfortable with any of them so I became the singer." Terry Hall on forming The Specials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Frightful Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 15 hours ago, meast said: His Grandfather is Trinidadian. Billy Ocean's?...I think we could have guessed that. Seriously though, I wonder if Connor's Grandad was one of the Windrush people?, he certainly will have been about the right age I would have thought. "When I saw the Pistols and The Clash I realised it didn't seem that difficult, they didn't seem like they could play very well either, so the thing was to form a band then work it out. We didn't even know who was going to play what - we passed around all the instruments until we found what we were comfortable with. I wasn't comfortable with any of them so I became the singer." Terry Hall on forming The Specials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Damien said: Another compelling argument. Judging by plenty of posts and threads on this topic many seem to agree with me and not you. If Ryan Hall was 19 and scoring try’s and making metres like he is doing there’d be plenty crying out for him to be in the England squad, he’s still a top winger, just because he’s at the back end of his career shouldn’t stop him being selected, if he’s the best available option. Wane has him in the training squad and rightly so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 40 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: If Ryan Hall was 19 and scoring try’s and making metres like he is doing there’d be plenty crying out for him to be in the England squad, he’s still a top winger, just because he’s at the back end of his career shouldn’t stop him being selected, if he’s the best available option. Wane has him in the training squad and rightly so. Age is nothing to do with it. He is no longer England's best winger and is not the best available option. He has completely lost his pace and has the turning circle of a tank, a captured Russian tank being towed by a Ukrainian tractor at that. The Southern hemisphere nations would have a field day with Hall and McGilvary on the wings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Damien said: Age is nothing to do with it. He is no longer England's best winger and is not the best available option. He has completely lost his pace and has the turning circle of a tank, a captured Russian tank being towed by a Ukrainian tractor at that. The Southern hemisphere nations would have a field day with Hall and McGilvary on the wings. I never said he’s England’s best winger, Makinson is, but Wane is right to include Hall in the England squad, he’s there on merit. He scored his 8th try of the season today, had already made over 1200 meters before playing today, is solid in defence and is as good as anyone under the high ball. People are writing him off simply because of his age. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: I never said he’s England’s best winger, Makinson is, but Wane is right to include Hall in the England squad, he’s there on merit. He scored his 8th try of the season today, had already made over 1200 meters before playing today, is solid in defence and is as good as anyone under the high ball. People are writing him off simply because of his age. I never said you did. I have already said his age has nothing to do with it. If people were influenced by his age then the same people wouldn't be championing Roby for hooker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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