BBC HYS- Trolling.

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

3 hours ago, Jughead said:

We don’t help ourselves as a sport and regularly find a way to not cover ourselves in glory and the Rimmer sweep under the carpet combined with the “Englishness” of Dom Young has led to a real terrible week for the game, though, through the size of the sport, it’s not as big news as it could/should have been. 

Rugby League fans are amongst the most negative of all sports, I find. People are negative or pessimistic about the club(s) they support but I’ve never known a sport to have as much negativity and division as rugby league. 

 

What's the Dom Young "English thing"?

...I've missed that one 

[Jughead]

6 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

What's the Dom Young "English thing"?

...I've missed that one 

Eddie Hemmings’ “he’s not English in the true sense of the word” about Dom Young, a man from Yorkshire, yet Herbie Farnworth “is as English as you or I”. 

 

[DoubleD]

It’s probably just Barnaby Reddin with his multiple alias

[Maximus Decimus]

46 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

What's the Dom Young "English thing"?

...I've missed that one 

A highly-edited clip in a segment discussing the use of heritage players, which has been used to accuse Hemmings of being racist.

[Maximus Decimus]

Somebody said it best when they said I don't know why the BBC still include this feature. It's probably second only to YouTube comments for levels of vitriol; I've long stopped reading them. There's a current report on the women's RU opening match that is probably worse.

I think it's a mixture of Union fans, negative RL-fans and just casual sports followers. A lot of it is the stuff I'm sure we've all heard plenty of times in real life from people with some awareness of RL but not fans. The old 'it's only an M62 game' 'it's a dying sport' 'it's only played by 3 nations' etc.

The most bizarre comments (and they are repeated on 2 of the threads about the game) is about how SJP will be virtually empty next week and even that they've only really sold 13,000 tickets.

The one thing I would say is that I think it's a mistake to think that this forum represents anything like the reality of a majority of RL fans. On here, issues like heritage players were argued over many years ago to the point where even if people aren't a fan they are rarely brought up. In this context, it's easy to forget how 13 born and bred Australians playing for someone like Italy is likely to be viewed by the general sporting population.

[gingerjon]

9 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

Somebody said it best when they said I don't know why the BBC still include this feature. It's probably second only to YouTube comments for levels of vitriol; I've long stopped reading them. There's a current report on the women's RU opening match that is probably worse.

I think it's a mixture of Union fans, negative RL-fans and just casual sports followers. A lot of it is the stuff I'm sure we've all heard plenty of times in real life from people with some awareness of RL but not fans. The old 'it's only an M62 game' 'it's a dying sport' 'it's only played by 3 nations' etc.

The most bizarre comments (and they are repeated on 2 of the threads about the game) is about how SJP will be virtually empty next week and even that they've only really sold 13,000 tickets.

The one thing I would say is that I think it's a mistake to think that this forum represents anything like the reality of a majority of RL fans. On here, issues like heritage players were argued over many years ago to the point where even if people aren't a fan they are rarely brought up. In this context, it's easy to forget how 13 born and bred Australians playing for someone like Italy is likely to be viewed by the general sporting population.

The comparison with YouTube comments is absolutely spot on.

[Maximus Decimus]

32 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The comparison with YouTube comments is absolutely spot on.

And a lot of corporations now routinely disable comments. I can't imagine it drives much traffic.

[Hello]

1 hour ago, Maximus Decimus said:

Somebody said it best when they said I don't know why the BBC still include this feature. It's probably second only to YouTube comments for levels of vitriol; I've long stopped reading them. There's a current report on the women's RU opening match that is probably worse.

I think it's a mixture of Union fans, negative RL-fans and just casual sports followers. A lot of it is the stuff I'm sure we've all heard plenty of times in real life from people with some awareness of RL but not fans. The old 'it's only an M62 game' 'it's a dying sport' 'it's only played by 3 nations' etc.

The most bizarre comments (and they are repeated on 2 of the threads about the game) is about how SJP will be virtually empty next week and even that they've only really sold 13,000 tickets.

The one thing I would say is that I think it's a mistake to think that this forum represents anything like the reality of a majority of RL fans. On here, issues like heritage players were argued over many years ago to the point where even if people aren't a fan they are rarely brought up. In this context, it's easy to forget how 13 born and bred Australians playing for someone like Italy is likely to be viewed by the general sporting population.

Hi. How do you think, though, that 13 born and bred Aussies playing for another country should be viewed? Not a good look for a sport, surely.

[RigbyLuger]

1 hour ago, Maximus Decimus said:

Somebody said it best when they said I don't know why the BBC still include this feature. It's probably second only to YouTube comments for levels of vitriol; I've long stopped reading them. There's a current report on the women's RU opening match that is probably worse.

I think it's a mixture of Union fans, negative RL-fans and just casual sports followers. A lot of it is the stuff I'm sure we've all heard plenty of times in real life from people with some awareness of RL but not fans. The old 'it's only an M62 game' 'it's a dying sport' 'it's only played by 3 nations' etc.

The most bizarre comments (and they are repeated on 2 of the threads about the game) is about how SJP will be virtually empty next week and even that they've only really sold 13,000 tickets.

The one thing I would say is that I think it's a mistake to think that this forum represents anything like the reality of a majority of RL fans. On here, issues like heritage players were argued over many years ago to the point where even if people aren't a fan they are rarely brought up. In this context, it's easy to forget how 13 born and bred Australians playing for someone like Italy is likely to be viewed by the general sporting population.

The women's RU one is bizarre, as if they expect England to not score loads of points, and it's their fault they've much better. But, it's a great opportunity for the anti-womens sport brigade.

[Phil]

9 minutes ago, Hello said:

Hi. How do you think, though, that 13 born and bred Aussies playing for another country should be viewed? Not a good look for a sport, surely.

All sports subscribe to the grandparent ruling 

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

2 hours ago, Jughead said:

Eddie Hemmings’ “he’s not English in the true sense of the word” about Dom Young, a man from Yorkshire, yet Herbie Farnworth “is as English as you or I”. 

 

Really??? Truest as in he lives in Australia or a racial thing?

[gingerjon]

8 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:

it's a great opportunity for the anti-womens sport brigade.

Every unmoderated comment section is.

[Maximus Decimus]

23 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Really??? Truest as in he lives in Australia or a racial thing?

In the clip they'd clearly been talking about selecting players who qualify as English. As the whole clip isn't up, I'm guessing Radley was definitely talked about and possibly Oledski and McIlorum.

He mentions Young's heritage and how his brother is playing for Jamaica and says he isn't English in the truest sense either. It's definitely clumsy but likely not about race IMO. 

With the modern world being the way it is, of course it has to be because he's racist and doesn't think black people are really English.

[Maximus Decimus]

44 minutes ago, Hello said:

Hi. How do you think, though, that 13 born and bred Aussies playing for another country should be viewed? Not a good look for a sport, surely.

Back in the day, I was one of the most vociferous opponents of the way heritage is used in RL. There are too many nations that arent just using heritage to bolster a squad but to create one where RL isn't really played.

However, it's been the way for 22 or so years now and isn't going to change anytime soon so it's not really controversial any more. People also naturally have less of an issue with say Tonga, Samoa, Fiji etc when they are part of those communities and very passionate about them.

I'm still so scarred by the 2000WC that I can't get too invested in the whole RLWC. I'm really looking forward to the opener but will only dip in and out of the opening rounds.

[Maximus Decimus]

45 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:

The women's RU one is bizarre, as if they expect England to not score loads of points, and it's their fault they've much better. But, it's a great opportunity for the anti-womens sport brigade.

It is bizarre but then that is the nature of a place like the BBC HYS board. It's a bit like reviews on somewhere like amazon. Who is motivated to post there? Those who love it and are fans and those who feel sufficiently negative about it. With it being on the BBC, you also get a lot of non-fans seeing the headline.

I bet you any money that under pretty much any prominent Scottish football thread there will be negative comments about Rangers and Celtic winning it every year.

 

[Pie tries]

10 hours ago, Magic XIII said:

Maybe in the 'amateur' years and a few years post professionalism, but much less so now. The chip on shoulder some RL carry is very sad. And let's be honest, RL can kill itself off without the help of other. 

Nope. Not just amateur days. RL effectively governed by RU in several countries e.g. SA.  We’ve had to fight to exist as a sport e.g. Greece, Russia. Sports Accord acceptance subject to RU objections. French RU constantly tries to kill off League. 
 

RU simply less open and better covering its tracks. It’s not in any way our friend

Edited October 8, 2022 by Pie tries

[Mark S]

There is always some football obsessed person who I hold in very low esteem who makes negative comments when Sky Sports dare to mention any other sport than soccer. 

[Stuff Smith]

3 hours ago, corvusxiii said:

Is it more a personality thing than a particular anti League thing?

A troll's only motivation is to provoke a reaction; they know their opinion isn't going to influence the views of the people they are trolling. 

And then they laugh to themselves. Mission accomplished. When that laughter subsides, they troll again.

It is a personality thing: some people enjoy winding other people up.

But there is a diminishing element of anti-League sentiment. We're an upstart sport to some: a sport that should know its place. (Please don't make jokes defining that place as some town off the M62 that you dislike: that's what they'd do.)

[Rach]

Not just a RL / RU thing , try supporting any type of womens sport on any of the major press 'have your say' channels .. regardless of the sport or level of success ( see Englands Euro win or more recently the Red Roses victory against Fiji this morning as an example )

The 'views' aired on there - if they were about another race or religion would no doubt gain their author some serious jail time / court apperances at the least but as wholly misogynistic opinions they seem to be taken sadly as just 'banter'.

TBF the battle betwwen the 13 and the 15 player code in similar circumstances is just a 2 min spat in the school playground in comparison to the sexist bile found there.

 

Edited October 9, 2022 by Rach

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, Stuff Smith said:

A troll's only motivation is to provoke a reaction

I genuinely forget who it was - or I might tag them - but someone on here got quite a lot of likes for describing how they go into union comment sections to point out how much better the plays you see in league are.

Now, if you were trying to get union fans to like league, genuinely, why would you do it that way?

[Dunbar]

49 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I genuinely forget who it was - or I might tag them - but someone on here got quite a lot of likes for describing how they go into union comment sections to point out how much better the plays you see in league are.

Now, if you were trying to get union fans to like league, genuinely, why would you do it that way?

I guess one man's troll is another man's champion of a worthy cause.

Well, not for me.  Commenting on something you don't like with the only intention to upset / wind up people who do enjoy it is never worthy.

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, Dunbar said:

I guess one man's troll is another man's champion of a worthy cause.

Well, not for me.  Commenting on something you don't like with the only intention to upset / wind up people who do enjoy it is never worthy.

Exactly.

I don't mind people going through the process and learning that lesson but ... you'll convert no one by being a dick.

[del capo]

2 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

In the clip they'd clearly been talking about selecting players who qualify as English. As the whole clip isn't up, I'm guessing Radley was definitely talked about and possibly Oledski and McIlorum.

He mentions Young's heritage and how his brother is playing for Jamaica and says he isn't English in the truest sense either. It's definitely clumsy but likely not about race IMO. 

With the modern world being the way it is, of course it has to be because he's racist and doesn't think black people are really English.

I'm happy with the England selection process.

Radley's dad ( not his grandad or a more distant relative ) was born and bred in Yorkshire.

Oledski came to England as an 8year old ( unlike the Aussie hoovering of Pacific  Islander youngsters ) and played his junior rugby with East Leeds .

Mcilorum born and bred in Leeds and ex Queens Junior.

Farnworth and Young both  born Englishmen , starting their rugby journeys with Wigan St Patricks and Dewsbury Moor respectively.......

[yipyee]

10 hours ago, Damien said:

You only have to look at this forum and the amount of new posters that seem uncannily the same as previous ones. People obviously have nothing better to do.

There are without doubt RU trolls who are obviously that insecure about their own sport that they feel like they need to do this. What is more bizarre and telling are RL fans that revel in knocking the game and seem like they don't actually want it to succeed and take off. These two groups often post in very similar ways which is just weird.

The later tends to be a small section in society that revels in following niche things as if they have a little secret/secret club. Then when they/if they become popular they stop liking it. 

Music is full of these type of people who like watching underground music but hate the same bands if they become popular, incidently nirvana hated it when they became mainstream and constantly tried to become unpopular which ironically made them more mainstream. Part of Kurt Cobains issues seemed to be the torment of becoming what he hated. And I think the same could be said for quite a lot involved in League, happy being a small niche sport that a few knowledgeable few can enjoy but when it creeps into being mainstream and the more general less knowledgeable sports fans get involved, that just like being involved in an atmosphere and not too interested in the game, this upsets the niche brigade and then the establishment get scared and retreat.

[Dunbar]

24 minutes ago, del capo said:

I'm happy with the England selection process.

Radley's dad ( not his grandad or a more distant relative ) was born and bred in Yorkshire.

Oledski came to England as an 8year old ( unlike the Aussie hoovering of Pacific  Islander youngsters ) and played his junior rugby with East Leeds .

Mcilorum born and bred in Leeds and ex Queens Junior.

Farnworth and Young both  born Englishmen , starting their rugby journeys with Wigan St Patricks and Dewsbury Moor respectively.......

I don't think anyone is not happy with the picks (from an eligibility perspective).

I actually think the only reason it is a discussion with Wane is because Radley has an Australian accent and Wane has been vocal about picking 'English' players.