Fri 23rd Feb: SL: Warrington Wolves v Hull FC KO 8pm (Sky)

[Padge]

Back to the rugby, cracking FC try

[Dave T]

For me, it was absolutely a penalty try. The tackle was illegal, we don't split tackles in two and say the first half was legal. 

It was imo the same as the one in the Grand Final that Catalans didn't get against Sai ts and I thought that was absolutely wrong. 

Foul play prevented a try, penalty try. 

And I also agree with the claim against us in the first half. 

[Harry Stottle]

Just now, bobbruce said:

You generally don’t get a yellow with a penalty try anymore t’s usually one or the other

Theres nothing usual about this season Bob.

[JM2010]

Hull FC are showing why SL coaches should show faith in their young players 

[Dave T]

2 minutes ago, JonNgog said:

the early season optimism around rugby league is rapidly disappearing. We really are experts in shooting ourselves in the foot..

I don't think we need to go over the top. Like players, refs sometimes get it wrong. It'll take some time to bed in and mistakes will be made. 

But it has been poo. 

[TrueBull]

The tackle on sutcliffe in the first half I thought possible penalty try and card as he grabbed Sutcliffe round the head and dragged him down with leverage through his head/neck. 
That one, I thought well, started on shoulder, ended up on head but far from the line, so penalty, possible yellow. No consistency. Ultimately, that’s all we can ask for. Consistency. 

[Ant]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

Foul play prevented a try, penalty try. 

That's where we disagree then, I don't think you can say that at all. 

[JohnM]

In my view, in recent years, tackling technique has concentrated on upper body grappling and has very much abandoned tackling round the legs.  I can understand players trying to prevent offloads, but to see ball carriers pumping away with their legs whilst tacklers wrestle with the upper body is quite frustrating.   Appropriate technique may have avoided the penalty try award. But the games NOT gone.

Edited February 23 by JohnM

[M j M]

"Jack Walker is young" commentary bingo alert.

[Dave T]

Just now, Ant said:

That's where we disagree then, I don't think you can say that at all. 

The tackle prevented the try. The tackle was illegal. 

[Ant]

Just now, Dave T said:

The tackle prevented the try. The tackle was illegal. 

If he'd have hit him cleanly, the ball carrier would be smashed into touch. 

Never a PT

[Leyther_Matt]

2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I don't think we need to go over the top. Like players, refs sometimes get it wrong. It'll take some time to bed in and mistakes will be made. 

But it has been poo. 

The problem is that they’re refereeing perfectly correctly against the laws of the game. It’s the laws that are wrong rather than necessarily the officials themselves. They’re only playing with the hand that they’ve been dealt. 

[Padge]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

For me, it was absolutely a penalty try. The tackle was illegal, we don't split tackles in two and say the first half was legal. 

It was imo the same as the one in the Grand Final that Catalans didn't get against Sai ts and I thought that was absolutely wrong. 

Foul play prevented a try, penalty try. 

And I also agree with the claim against us in the first half. 

But how foul, we have degrees of foulness, the tackle stopped him scoring but the contact with the head wasn't deliberate or used to stop him scoring, the tackle involved head contact yes, but stopped him scoring?*

* There is a degree of Devil's Advocate in this.

[Dave T]

Just now, Leyther_Matt said:

The problem is that they’re refereeing perfectly correctly against the laws of the game. It’s the laws that are wrong rather than necessarily the officials themselves. They’re only playing with the hand that they’ve been dealt. 

Nah, I'm pretty sure the rules aren't looking at those accidental head clashes. 

[Just Browny]

2 minutes ago, M j M said:

"Jack Walker is young" commentary bingo alert.

Tautology

[jacksy]

Just now, Leyther_Matt said:

The problem is that they’re refereeing perfectly correctly against the laws of the game. It’s the laws that are wrong rather than necessarily the officials themselves. They’re only playing with the hand that they’ve been dealt. 

That's a kop out for them. They should be using common sense too.

I know i will get criticism but these two should get dropped.

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, Padge said:

But how foul, we have degrees of foulness, the tackle stopped him scoring but the contact with the head wasn't deliberate or used to stop him scoring, the tackle involved head contact yes, but stopped him scoring?*

* There is a degree of Devil's Advocate in this.

The thing that stopped him scoring was the tackle. The tackle was illegal. We don't need to over-complicate it. 

Edit. I expect counters of claims a high tackle on the line should be a penalty try, but this was a clear try scoring opportunity. 

Edited February 23 by Dave T

[Damien]

5 minutes ago, Dave T said:

For me, it was absolutely a penalty try. The tackle was illegal, we don't split tackles in two and say the first half was legal. 

It was imo the same as the one in the Grand Final that Catalans didn't get against Sai ts and I thought that was absolutely wrong. 

Foul play prevented a try, penalty try. 

And I also agree with the claim against us in the first half. 

I gave the one in the first half the benefit of the doubt and didn't mention it at the time as a result. When different standards are applied in reverse though it does grate. As long as decisions are consistent, in whatever manner I don't mind. The issue for me is when they aren't.

[Dave T]

Just now, Damien said:

I gave the one in the first half the benefit of the doubt and didn't mention it at the time as a result. When different standards are applied in reverse though it does grate. As long as decisions are consistent, in whatever manner I don't mind. The issue for me is when they aren't.

I think the 2nd one was a bit more spectacular and stood out more, but I was very surprised the 1st wasn't penalised, particularly as it did go to the video.

[StandOffHalf]

Jeez, this game...

[Dave T]

The ref has been terrible, let's be honest. 

[The Blues Ox]

How is that not a yellow card? Totally confused at this point.

[LeytherRob]

That late hit was far worse than the red, I really don't understand the application of these rules

[DavidM]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

The ref has been terrible, let's be honest. 

Shocking haircut 

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, DavidM said:

Shocking haircut 

Good to see you're on the ball with all the hot topics mate