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15 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

That headline could have been written by League Express themselves.🤣

To be honest, I thought it was.

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gingerjon
gingerjon

There's been a tribunal about it and everything.

The Phantom Horseman
The Phantom Horseman

"Sheffield Eagles are delighted to announce our new player-coach, Cory Aston."

RP London
RP London

While i have sympathy for the fact that protocols may not have been met properly and processes not followed which is problematic there seems to be one key fundamental in here. "On the morning of the W

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M j M

M j M

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3 hours ago, Griff said:

Seriously?

Page two of League  Express, 11th November 2024.

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13 hours ago, M j M said:

Give us a reliable source

 

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1 hour ago, robt said:

To be honest, I thought it was.

I honestly wrote out a whole response assuming it was.

Then I went back just before hitting send and realised where it had come from.

Expatknight

Expatknight

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3 hours ago, Griff said:

There's no "skipping". There's only one appeal. It's either to the RFL again or to Sports Resolution.  

That’s two not one, surely?

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Griff

Griff

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5 minutes ago, Expatknight said:

That’s two not one, surely?

Either/or is two?

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RP London

RP London

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3 hours ago, Griff said:

There's no "skipping". There's only one appeal. It's either to the RFL again or to Sports Resolution.  

My understanding was that it was appeal to the RFL with new information then appeal to sports resolution if that didn't go your way or go to sports resolution. So it depended on whether he had new information or not.. and that was debated. So no it wasn't either or.. it was "what is your appeal about" hence the point made . It's the process they followed the process.

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Hopie

Hopie

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47 minutes ago, Griff said:

Either/or is two?

In most situations, in order to exercise an external right of appeal you must first exhaust your internal process, which would include an internal appeal. That adds up to two.

My opinion based on the evidence in this thread alone is that Aston wanted to skip the internal appeal and go straight to external, this would usually require permission from both sides of a dispute which here appears to have been agreed, and presented as a partial victory for Aston for some reason.

Griff

Griff

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8 minutes ago, RP London said:

My understanding was that it was appeal to the RFL with new information then appeal to sports resolution if that didn't go your way or go to sports resolution. So it depended on whether he had new information or not.. and that was debated. So no it wasn't either or.. it was "what is your appeal about" hence the point made . It's the process they followed the process.

It's not my reading of rule D1.60.   However, we are where we are.  Which is at Sports Resolution.

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Griff

Griff

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4 minutes ago, Hopie said:

In most situations, in order to exercise an external right of appeal you must first exhaust your internal process, which would include an internal appeal. That adds up to two.

My opinion based on the evidence in this thread alone is that Aston wanted to skip the internal appeal and go straight to external, this would usually require permission from both sides of a dispute which here appears to have been agreed, and presented as a partial victory for Aston for some reason.

Again. it's not my reading of rule D1.60, which is that there is one appeal, either to the RFL or Sports Resolution.  At the discretion of the RFL.  This decision has had far reaching consequences and should not be dealt with internally.

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JohnM

JohnM

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Maybe Aston and his claque will resume their campaign for truth, honesty and justice  (MSGA), soliciting support to their cause, by giving us chapter and verse on the appeal process with they are now engaged 

That would be far more illuminating than indulging in  argument merely for the sake of contrary arguing.

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Griff

Griff

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2 hours ago, JohnM said:

Maybe Aston and his claque will resume their campaign for truth, honesty and justice  (MSGA), soliciting support to their cause, by giving us chapter and verse on the appeal process with they are now engaged 

That would be far more illuminating than indulging in  argument merely for the sake of contrary arguing.

Maybe.

Though I've not seen much appetite for being "illuminated".

You ask for "chapter and verse". They're in the post above your own.

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gingerjon

gingerjon

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17 hours ago, Griff said:

Again. it's not my reading of rule D1.60, which is that there is one appeal, either to the RFL or Sports Resolution.  At the discretion of the RFL.  This decision has had far reaching consequences and should not be dealt with internally.

Having gone back to it last night, my reading follows yours. The appeal can go to the RFL or to Sports Resolutions. The process allows for either but not both.
In both cases, the panel is independent and, in both cases, it is intended to review how the original decision was reached and the fairness of the sanction - it is not usually a fresh look at the evidence.

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15 hours ago, JohnM said:

Maybe Aston and his claque will resume their campaign for truth, honesty and justice  (MSGA), soliciting support to their cause, by giving us chapter and verse on the appeal process with they are now engaged 

That would be far more illuminating than indulging in  argument merely for the sake of contrary arguing.

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tim2

tim2

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Mark Aston moved to a non-coaching role pending results of appeal, with a move to Director of Rugby whether the appeal succeeds or not.

https://www.sheffieldeagles.com/Eagles-News/article/club-statement-mark-aston/

This seems to be a sensible move all round. They (the club and Mark) just need to be very careful to not blur any lines at all, otherwise the RFL will come down like a ton of bricks.

Who will be able to fill Mark's shoes as head coach? It has to be a strong character who can get the trust of the supporters quickly.

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The Phantom Horseman

The Phantom Horseman

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5 minutes ago, M j M said:

Very much a poisoned chalice you'd have thought with Aston still there.

"Sheffield Eagles are delighted to announce our new player-coach, Cory Aston."

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gazza77

gazza77

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1 hour ago, tim2 said:

Mark Aston moved to a non-coaching role pending results of appeal, with a move to Director of Rugby whether the appeal succeeds or not.

https://www.sheffieldeagles.com/Eagles-News/article/club-statement-mark-aston

This seems to be a sensible move all round. They (the club and Mark) just need to be very careful to not blur any lines at all, otherwise the RFL will come down like a ton of bricks.

Who will be able to fill Mark's shoes as head coach? It has to be a strong character who can get the trust of the supporters quickly.

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27 minutes ago, gazza77 said:

Interesting, page doesn't exist when you follow the link now. Click on go to homepage, and it takes you one called Ossett United.

Needs a / on the end of the link

 

https://www.sheffieldeagles.com/Eagles-News/article/club-statement-mark-aston/

 

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dkw

dkw

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1 hour ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

"Sheffield Eagles are delighted to announce our new player-coach, Cory Aston."

And his new assistant coach Mork Oston....

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fighting irish

fighting irish

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15 minutes ago, dkw said:

And his new assistant coach Mork Oston....

''Mork calling Orston, Mork calling Orston''. 

This has nothing at all to do with this thread, or your post but it just popped into my head, so I had to get it out. 

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Tommygilf

Tommygilf

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Seems like the only sensible option for the club at this stage, and likewise perhaps a refresh in coaching was needed anyway?

I'd hope there is ambition at Sheffield to get one of the top level free agents floating about. With a bit more direction and consistency through the year their squad could certainly challenge at the very top of the table.

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JohnM

JohnM

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Finally, a measured and sensible and dare I say, professional statement from Sheffield. Well done.👍

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