RL at the Darts

[Griff]

12 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

On the terms that you've just dribbled, RL is Australian.

Even in Australia, world powerbase of rugby league, it's a regional sport with a couple of outliers.

Stay realistic.

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, Griff said:

Even in Australia, world powerbase of rugby league, it's a regional sport with a couple of outliers.

Stay realistic.

But, still, significantly more people will come to rugby league through Australia than northern England.

It's not northern England's sport.

But, still, bigger than darts.

[Griff]

3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

But, still, significantly more people will come to rugby league through Australia than northern England.

It's not northern England's sport.

But, still, bigger than darts.

Darts - not a sport, of course.

[Salford Devil]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

.... said one of the biggest attention-seekers on the forum.

I don't mind folk from outside the traditional area watching matches or playing the game or starting their own clubs.

Equally, I don't mind if they don't do any of those things.

You can't make people see sense.  It's a free country.

It's posters like you that stop people posting on this forum. All you do is seek to bully and belittle people. You are certainly one of the reasons I stopped posting and I see nothing has changed.

[Griff]

34 minutes ago, Salford Devil said:

It's posters like you that stop people posting on this forum. All you do is seek to bully and belittle people. You are certainly one of the reasons I stopped posting and I see nothing has changed.

Why don't you just block me?

Instead of trying to bully me?

It's a public forum. People are likely to have differing views. Stay realistic.

[HawkMan]

Thought just occurred to me, if RL is bigger than darts,  and I'm not going to argue either way, 100% certain more people know of darts than RL. I speak to people who never knew there was  two separate codes of rugby. Even people who never watch darts know what you're talking about when you mention darts. But RL , is certainly a mystery to many, that is an astonishing indictment of the poor job the custodians of the game do or have done. Think of it, bigger sport,  less widely known than a pub game,  wow!

[Click]

2 hours ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

A club from the midlands would make the same impact on the northern game as London did, and that is zero.

Your club's marquee signing would probably disagree with you.

[Griff]

1 hour ago, HawkMan said:

 ..... less widely known than a pub game,  wow!

I would imagine it's less widely known than Snakes and Ladders but that doesn't particularfly impress me.

[Kirmonds pouch]

4 hours ago, gingerjon said:

But, still, significantly more people will come to rugby league through Australia than northern England.

It's not northern England's sport.

But, still, bigger than darts.

It absolutely is in the U.K., I never mentioned the world other than a brief mention of NRL methodology, but please feel free to carry on with your silly delusions. Funny how people seem incapable of accepting what is clearly obvious.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Kirmonds pouch

[Kirmonds pouch]

2 hours ago, Click said:

Your club's marquee signing would probably disagree with you.

Yes because half a dozen players produced over the last forty years from non heartland clubs has made all the difference to the game, come off it.

Are you seriously suggesting MM rise through the ranks of RL has been worth the million spent on RL in London. Great player, happy to have him on board, but seriously get a grip.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Kirmonds pouch

[Click]

8 minutes ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

Yes because half a dozen players produced over the last forty years from non heartland clubs has made all the difference to the game, come off it.

Are you seriously suggesting MM rise through the ranks of RL has been worth the million spent on RL in London. Great player, happy to have him on board, but seriously get a grip.

I wasn't the one that made a silly statement saying that London/Midlands clubs have zero impact on RL, while being a fan of a club that just signed a player from London on a marquee contract.

London/The South provided 10% of the England team for the first test against Samoa this year.

It feels pretty impactful.

[Eddie]

4 hours ago, gingerjon said:

But, still, significantly more people will come to rugby league through Australia than northern England.

It's not northern England's sport.

But, still, bigger than darts.

Over 166k people have already watched this afternoon’s 9 dart finish on YouTube on the PDC channel, with thousands more watching on Paddy Power’s etc. I can’t think of anything in rugby league that would generate that sort of interest. I love rugby league and darts, and while I’d prefer RL to be the bigger of the two I just can’t see how it is. 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Eddie

[Tommygilf]

26 minutes ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

It absolutely is in the U.K., I never mentioned the world other than a brief mention of NRL methodology, but please feel free to carry on with your silly delusions. Funny how people seem incapable of accepting what is clearly obvious.

And the South West ish is the heartland in France.

We play an Australian game with rules decided on mostly by Australians in Australia.

[gingerjon]

18 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Over 166k people have already watched this afternoon’s 9 dart finish on YouTube on the PDC channel, with thousands more watching on Paddy Power’s etc. I can’t think of anything in rugby league that would generate that sort of interest. I love rugby league and darts, and while I’d prefer RL to be the bigger of the two I just can’t see how it is. 

How many of those 166,000 do you think know the result of the match, the round it’s in (etc)?

Nobody is saying the World Championships isn’t a superb social media event and that darts doesn’t produce moments.

The evidence we have though is that, for all that, RL has more participants, more TV money and more, across a year, spectators and viewers.

Let’s praise RL for achieving that and still being nowhere near as big as it could be.

[Just Browny]

For those not here to belittle RL tor whatever reason, currently got a former South Wales Scorpions player having a good tussle with a Wigan fan.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Just Browny

[graveyard johnny]

1 minute ago, Just Browny said:

For those not here to belittle RL tor whatever reason, currently got a former South Wales Svorpions player having a good tussle with a Wigan fan.

and what about the darts?

[Eddie]

23 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

For those not here to belittle RL tor whatever reason, currently got a former South Wales Svorpions player having a good tussle with a Wigan fan.

Any idea how many games Price played for SWS? It mentions them on his Wikipedia page but all the stats are about darts not League or Union. 

[Damien]

12 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Any idea how many games Price played for SWS? It mentions them on his Wikipedia page but all the stats are about darts not League or Union. 

2 games according to this:

https://wrl.wales/south-wales-scorpions

[OriginalMrC]

Let's just say Price is a better darts player than he was a rugby player! Great game BTW, just amazing entertainment. Why are we comparing darts with RL? Not even comparable sports

[Eddie]

35 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

Let's just say Price is a better darts player than he was a rugby player! Great game BTW, just amazing entertainment. Why are we comparing darts with RL? Not even comparable sports

Because it’s TRL and it’s the close season! 

[JohnM]

Re the number of viewers of the darts comp and RL: of all the 166,000 who watched the darts, how long did they engage? Ditto how long did Super League viewers engage,? Thus who had the most exposure to adverts, pitchside or otherwise?

Edited December 27, 2024 by JohnM

[HawkMan]

10 hours ago, JohnM said:

Re the number of viewers of the darts comp and RL: of all the 166,000 who watched the darts, how long did they engage? Ditto how long did Super League viewers engage,? Thus who had the most exposure to adverts, pitchside or otherwise?

Problem is SL viewers are the same people over and over throughout the season. Darts probably has more different eyeballs on it in a year than SL. The key word is " different " , darts is a casual viewers sport predominantly,  very few hard-core supporters who only watch darts and nowt else. Luke Littler is a phenomenon that spikes up the casual interest almost instantaneously   that'll continue until he's no longer  the young whippersnapper winning against the odds. Then the casual interest will drop until another comes along.

RL has a steady fan base , darts waxes and wanes, higher than RL in moments like now, lower at other times. Linking this with the thread about money and why baseball and soccer have huge amounts,  neither darts or RL has anywhere near enough fans, or potential subscribers for broadcasters or premium advertisers to throw vast sums at the respective sports.

Edited December 28, 2024 by HawkMan

[JohnM]

Understood. What I was considering was the appeal to advertisers and sponsors. If 166k unique viewers watch darts for 5 mins each, is that more productive for advertisers and sponsors than say the same number of unique viewers watching Wigan at the Grand Final for 2 hours each? 

[Eddie]

20 hours ago, Griff said:

Darts - not a sport, of course.

Whether it’s a sport or not is debatable but also irrelevant. 

[Kirmonds pouch]

16 hours ago, Click said:

I wasn't the one that made a silly statement saying that London/Midlands clubs have zero impact on RL, while being a fan of a club that just signed a player from London on a marquee contract.

London/The South provided 10% of the England team for the first test against Samoa this year.

It feels pretty impactful.

But you are the silly one. Please tell me exactly what impact a midlands club would have on the game. An area that has even less appetite for the game than London. What planet are you on? I bet you couldn’t find a single businessman in the world who’d think the idea of setting up a franchise in the West Midlands was remotely viable and at SL level it is a business.

Just because you have a pipe dream doesn’t mean the rest of the game has to fund it or even want it. Despite what many seem to believe this forum does not represent the majority of RL fans and never has. It just a virtual echo chamber for the eternally deluded at times.

As for London’s impact, again, a handful of half decent players in forty years. That doesn’t account to anywhere near enough to warrant the time, effort and hype invested. 
 

As for MM, if he didn’t exist do you not think Trinity couldn’t find another marquee signing. The only reason they went for MM was availability and that Powell was the coach who made him.
 

Isn’t it obvious what a failure London are when literally none of the lean pickings actually played there careers in London. Take the rose tinted specs off.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Kirmonds pouch