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I would guess that a player would have no choice but to pay up.  As I assume if he didn't he would miss an essential part of the pre-season training.  Assuming the club see the away training as essential, otherwise why do it and insist players should contribute to make it affordable. That begs the question if coach or club admin think its essential then the club should cover all costs as its essential to do the "work".

Again assuming its true or even if it was a past endeavour.

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1 hour ago, Rioman said:

Circa £5k to take a squad of players to Tenerife for a week in January.  I suggest you do a bit of research on holiday prices.

The club asked players to CONTRIBUTE £250 towards pre-season training, no-one has said that's how much it will cost, It probably will be all-inclusive, as it IS well out of Tenerife holiday season, so prices are going to be cheaper, and very few (if any) restaurants or bars are going to be open at that time of year


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As I read it the £250 player contribution would just mean they can up the level of where they would be going. So without the £250, normanton. With it, Marbella.

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16 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

The club asked players to CONTRIBUTE £250 towards pre-season training, no-one has said that's how much it will cost, It probably will be all-inclusive, as it IS well out of Tenerife holiday season, so prices are going to be cheaper, and very few (if any) restaurants or bars are going to be open at that time of year

But they did say how much it was, £250 from the players and £17K from the club.

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2 hours ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

Don't get the issue. Players given a choice, contribute £250 for a week away in the sun or slogging it out in the rain and snow in northern England.

Doesn't affect anyone else other than the club and it's players so again why are people having issues with this.

FWIW, clubs scratching around for players to finish off a season is small time. 

Surely the question should be which location allows for the best prep? Then take them there. No asking where they want to go. 

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Riu Bravo in Palma, Majorca do 7 nights all inclusive for £461pp, for 2 people, from 10.01.19, flying from Manchester, I am sure a club could negotiate a cheaper deal than that for 30 people

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17 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Riu Bravo in Palma, Majorca do 7 nights all inclusive for £461pp, for 2 people, from 10.01.19, flying from Manchester, I am sure a club could negotiate a cheaper deal than that for 30 people

It would be nice to think it wasn't just Chris Chester checking Teletext, while Michael Carter gets on the blower.

But, this being RL, it is probably exactly that.

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I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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It is a nonsense to even put this to players. Peer pressure comes into situations like this which just isn't fair for people who have families and bills to pay. 

If clubs can't afford to cover the options, they shouldn't be options.

But, in true RL style, this is just a moan from the likes of Carvell who isn't known for facts and detail - it could easily have been the players demanding an abroad trip and the owner just saying 'if you fund it'.

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1 hour ago, Bleep1673 said:

The club asked players to CONTRIBUTE £250 towards pre-season training, no-one has said that's how much it will cost, It probably will be all-inclusive, as it IS well out of Tenerife holiday season, so prices are going to be cheaper, and very few (if any) restaurants or bars are going to be open at that time of year

They’re not going for a holiday, you know that right?

There’s a couple of decent training facilities in Tenerife that sport clubs regularly use, they probably went to one of those rather than an all inclusive holiday surrounded by pensioners. 

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1 hour ago, Bleep1673 said:

The club asked players to CONTRIBUTE £250 towards pre-season training, no-one has said that's how much it will cost, It probably will be all-inclusive, as it IS well out of Tenerife holiday season, so prices are going to be cheaper, and very few (if any) restaurants or bars are going to be open at that time of year

Not wanting to go too far off topic, but Tenerife is open all year round. Much different to mainland resorts that turn into ghost towns by Oct

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24 minutes ago, Oliver Clothesoff said:

They’re not going for a holiday, you know that right?

There’s a couple of decent training facilities in Tenerife that sport clubs regularly use, they probably went to one of those rather than an all inclusive holiday surrounded by pensioners. 

yeah but to be fair the coach can at least put them into Kids club for half a day and actually get some rest by the pool with a pint watching people walking past if they go to a resort.... bet he cant do that at one of those swanky training centres!

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26 minutes ago, Mattrhino said:

Come on, were talking 250 quid here. RL players probably pay that weekly for thier Nandos tab.

Its not that the players can't afford it  Just shows the club up for bad planning.  If they needed it that much, why not reduce the player wage budget by £5k-£10k

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6 hours ago, Mattrhino said:

It seems as though the club gave a choice. A subsidised trip away isn't that bad a deal.

I'm just happy they didn't ask the fans to pay as is the norm nowadays. 

KR got the fans to pay the travelling expenses for a signing last year.

Not understanding the power dynamic between employer and employee isn't a strong argument. Confusing it with the dynamic between customer and supplier is even worse. 

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First teamers can afford it, though they shouldn't be asked anyway.

Fringe players, still in or  just out of the academy? They can't afford it.


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27 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Its not that the players can't afford it  Just shows the club up for bad planning.  If they needed it that much, why not reduce the player wage budget by £5k-£10k

Although I do not know all the factt, it was implied as a choice so not deemed necessary.

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28 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Not understanding the power dynamic between employer and employee isn't a strong argument. Confusing it with the dynamic between customer and supplier is even worse. 

Not sure what you're argument is about. There are plenty of work places where you may be asked or to pay for trips, expenses, parties, uniforms, food etc... just becuase it is a sporting organisation shouldn't really make a difference. 

It seems as though it was a choice of what the players wanted to do, and I assume the club will be paying for the majority of the expenses. 

I agree it does seem small time, but it is what it is. Businesses do have to draw lines somewhere. That 5k raised by the players may be the difference in keeping the part time tea lady in a job. You never know.

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Depends on where they are going. If they are going to somewhere like the T3 sports camp then that will cost a substantial sum. It has some of the best facilities in Europe, Olympians like Adam Peaty go there to train as do many football clubs and world class boxers.


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10 minutes ago, Mattrhino said:

Not sure what you're argument is about. There are plenty of work places where you may be asked or to pay for trips, expenses, parties, uniforms, food etc... just becuase it is a sporting organisation shouldn't really make a difference. 

It seems as though it was a choice of what the players wanted to do, and I assume the club will be paying for the majority of the expenses. 

I agree it does seem small time, but it is what it is. Businesses do have to draw lines somewhere. That 5k raised by the players may be the difference in keeping the part time tea lady in a job. You never know.

What kind of places do you refer to out of interest. I'm not disagreeing, but I'd never work anywhere that would want me to work away and pay for myself.

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The club asked the players if they wanted a warm weather training camp and if so then it could be done if they contributed £250 each towards the cost. It not as if they said they must go. Carter himself also paid up.

Also to suggest the club pays the players less so they didn't have to contribute, well that's just six of one and half a dozen of the other.

If the players didn't have an issue with it, why is everyone else getting so bent up about it? 

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4 hours ago, gingerjon said:

I guessed a rough group of 20 players and they are being asked to pay £250 each.

So that's £5k the club doesn't have.

I stand by my statement that if they're lacking money for that then there will be gaps elsewhere too.

Such as halfway through the season asking the players to wash their own uniforms and bring their own balls to games. And then taking a 10% paycut to finish the season.

The SL ought to be looking into this.

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If it's a straightforward choice of a week in Tenerife warm weather training but it will cost £250 as a contribution or simply stay and train in the UK then I don't see the big deal. As long as all players are in agreement then it seems fine by me.

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26 minutes ago, Mattrhino said:

Not sure what you're argument is about. There are plenty of work places where you may be asked or to pay for trips, expenses, parties, uniforms, food etc... just becuase it is a sporting organisation shouldn't really make a difference. 

It seems as though it was a choice of what the players wanted to do, and I assume the club will be paying for the majority of the expenses. 

I agree it does seem small time, but it is what it is. Businesses do have to draw lines somewhere. That 5k raised by the players may be the difference in keeping the part time tea lady in a job. You never know.

Very few workplaces ask employees to pay for the costs of performing their job. 

It's not a complex idea that being offered a choice isn't always a choice and this is especially true when there is a clear differential in power in the relationship.

Is a 19 year old fringe player who may only be earning 12-15k a year really going to say now when all his teammates have said yes even if he can in no way afford it?

It is an unethical abuse of power to even ask. 

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£250 taken from pre tax earnings and transfered into a club jolly.  £15 per day for 10 days all inclusive in the sun.  Poor buggers.

BTW has Mr Integrity tweeted any facts yet?

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19 minutes ago, Dave T said:

What kind of places do you refer to out of interest. I'm not disagreeing, but I'd never work anywhere that would want me to work away and pay for myself.

You have never heard of work places charging for uniforms , work parties or not paying for travel expenses to meetings etc..

 

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