John Drake 5,284 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 Discuss the Betfred Championship Qualifying Play-off: Toulouse Olympique v York City Knights here. Quote . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bleep1673 1,149 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 Sorry, I haven't really been concentrating too hard recently, especially as we are not involved, but can someone explain the play-off system? Quote RESURGAM Non solum autem Leones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEANO 1,095 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 Very complicated but what I do know is that if York were to get to the final they would have to either go to Toulouse twice or Toronto twice. Tough ask for part time players and supporters 1 Quote sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gavin7094 161 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, DEANO said: Very complicated but what I do know is that if York were to get to the final they would have to either go to Toulouse twice or Toronto twice. Tough ask for part time players and supporters Or both twice! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tim2 1,945 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Bleep1673 said: Sorry, I haven't really been concentrating too hard recently, especially as we are not involved, but can someone explain the play-off system? Nice though it is to be successful, clubs like yours and mine might be better off out of it! Quote "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TboneFromTO 695 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Bleep1673 said: Sorry, I haven't really been concentrating too hard recently, especially as we are not involved, but can someone explain the play-off system? Game 2) A)Winner York -TO v Toronto B)Loser York - TO v winner Leigh Fev Game 3 loser 2a v winner 2b Game 4 (final) Winner game 3 v winner 2a Complicated oui? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krzzystuff 2,260 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 Two great teams but I think Toulouse will take the game. expecting to be a Toulouse vs Toronto Final come Oct 5th. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bleep1673 1,149 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, TboneFromTO said: Game 2) A)Winner York -TO v Toronto B)Loser York - TO v winner Leigh Fev Game 3 loser 2a v winner 2b Game 4 (final) Winner game 3 v winner 2a Complicated oui? Got a migraine coming on. This is why we never qualify for the play-offs. Quote RESURGAM Non solum autem Leones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Daddy 1,946 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 Is Graeme Horne fit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spanishknight 1,902 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Daddy said: Is Graeme Horne fit? Doubtful 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Denton Rovers RLFC 991 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 Hoping for York but on balance think TO will just sneak it, Hopefully the OL app is actually working! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiggy 87 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Bleep1673 said: Got a migraine coming on. This is why we never qualify for the play-offs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fabou 294 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 I dont know what to Think about this format. I guess we will be able to judge it afterwards. we ll see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chronicler of Chiswick 874 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 Toulouse by 18. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bleep1673 1,149 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 15 hours ago, kiggy said: You know that migraine I said was coming on? The French version doesn't help. Merci 1 Quote RESURGAM Non solum autem Leones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FearNothing 395 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) it's mad...a team in 2nd/3rd/4th/5th could have to play 3 times just to get to the final...I suspect TWP will have an easy ride through this, even if it's only down to the other teams being knackered!! Edited September 11, 2019 by FearNothing 1 Quote cru....Cru.....CRUSADERS!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kayakman 4,766 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 52 minutes ago, FearNothing said: it's mad...a team in 2nd/3rd/4th/5th could have to play 3 times just to get to the final...I suspect TWP will have an easy ride through this, even if it's only down to the other teams being knackered!! No easy ride for TWP...do you have any idea how much traveling our club has to do...not complaining but the rest will sort of even things up a bit. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgeb1 917 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Fabou said: I dont know what to Think about this format. I guess we will be able to judge it afterwards. we ll see. All club's knew the format as the season started , Toronto rightly have an advantage in the playoffs by being the strongest team by far in the competition . 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fabou 294 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, georgeb1 said: All club's knew the format as the season started , Toronto rightly have an advantage in the playoffs by being the strongest team by far in the competition . agreed, but... I still dont know what to Think about it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kayakman 4,766 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Fabou said: agreed, but... I still dont know what to Think about it. Think good thoughts always. Edited September 11, 2019 by Kayakman 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gavin7094 161 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) The odd thing is that even if York beat Toulouse away on Saturday, we will probably have to go there and do it again in 2 weeks. Also, if we beat Toronto away, we have to repeat that. The structure is very heavily loaded in favour of the top 2 sides, (which is fair enough I suppose). I think to be fairer if you win away then the least you should get is rewarded with a home tie in any possible 'rematch'. A simpler system would be 1st straight through to final. 2nd v 5th and 3rd v 4th and the 2 winners of those play off for the opportunity to play them. Edited September 11, 2019 by gavin7094 Spelling 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianRugger 1,280 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, gavin7094 said: The odd thing is that even if York beat Toulouse away on Saturday, we will probably have to go their and do it again in 2 weeks. Also, if we beat Toronto away, we have to repeat that. The structure is very heavily loaded in favour of the top 2 sides, (which is fair enough I suppose). I think to be fairer if you win away then the least you should get is rewarded with a home tie in any possible 'rematch'. A simpler system would be 1st straight through to final. 2nd v 5th and 3rd v 4th and the 2 winners of those play off for the opportunity to play them. I like this format, makes the playoffs exciting. I'm hoping for a Toronto vs Toulouse final in Toronto. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gavin7094 161 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, CanadianRugger said: I like this format, makes the playoffs exciting. I'm hoping for a Toronto vs Toulouse final in Toronto. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I disagree that this structure makes it more exciting than any other. In fact, with so little 'sudden death' arguably it's less exciting. I'm going to the Toulouse game on Saturday knowing that, even if York win (a big ask in itself) it doesn't really benefit York much. We'll have to repeat it again in 2 weeks, with a trip to Toronto in between. Arguably, then, winning in Toulouse becomes a handicap. In fact, some York fans a have suggested a defeat in Toulouse may be our best strategy. Doesn't seem right somehow. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiltshire Warrior Dragon 837 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, gavin7094 said: The odd thing is that even if York beat Toulouse away on Saturday, we will probably have to go there and do it again in 2 weeks. Also, if we beat Toronto away, we have to repeat that. The structure is very heavily loaded in favour of the top 2 sides, (which is fair enough I suppose). I think to be fairer if you win away then the least you should get is rewarded with a home tie in any possible 'rematch'. A simpler system would be 1st straight through to final. 2nd v 5th and 3rd v 4th and the 2 winners of those play off for the opportunity to play them. 10 minutes ago, gavin7094 said: You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I disagree that this structure makes it more exciting than any other. In fact, with so little 'sudden death' arguably it's less exciting. I'm going to the Toulouse game on Saturday knowing that, even if York win (a big ask in itself) it doesn't really benefit York much. We'll have to repeat it again in 2 weeks, with a trip to Toronto in between. Arguably, then, winning in Toulouse becomes a handicap. In fact, some York fans a have suggested a defeat in Toulouse may be our best strategy. Doesn't seem right somehow. My sympathies, gavin7094! It seems odd to me that there is a constant referral back to regular season places. Without that, York victory in Toulouse followed by defeat in Toronto would, indeed, have seen you play Toulouse again, if they won match D, but this time in York. I agree with you about play-off games from which both teams live to fight another day. I suppose I was brought up on a simple knock-out play-off system - 1st -v- 8th, 2nd -v-7th, etc. It always seemed fine to me. I suspect that giving the top regular season team too easy a run to the final, with weeks off included, might just backfire, especially if you subscribe to the school of thought that you need to be playing regularly and competitively as the season concludes. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrfranco 61 Report post Posted September 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, gavin7094 said: You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I disagree that this structure makes it more exciting than any other. In fact, with so little 'sudden death' arguably it's less exciting. I'm going to the Toulouse game on Saturday knowing that, even if York win (a big ask in itself) it doesn't really benefit York much. We'll have to repeat it again in 2 weeks, with a trip to Toronto in between. Arguably, then, winning in Toulouse becomes a handicap. In fact, some York fans a have suggested a defeat in Toulouse may be our best strategy. Doesn't seem right somehow. I think the RFL certainly missed a trick by not giving the first team into the GF (i.e. the winner of the 1st vs 2nd/3rd game) the right to host it. I'm not a fan of the potentially repeated games either, for the kind of reason you cite, i.e. the games feel a bit like "what's the point in this game, we did it already 2 weeks ago"/"what's the point in winning this one, we'll be playing it again in two weeks". Personally I'd rather have something like 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 in week one, winners travel to 2 and 1 respectively in week two, winners play in the GF. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
