Who do you want in Super League

[silverback]

1 minute ago, damp squib said:

*and six or seven full time players with SL experience on DR from Leeds.

If you're going to play the plucky little Fev card at least be honest about it.

i think there were 3 last game and 2 go to work so aint full time, i bet all but an handfull are at work all week mixing compo not swaning about having there highlights done and a sauna. massive difference in squads ££$$$£ value but a big heart and some fire will always win over as it did with 14 lads last year. people dont realise just how big this is for a championship team and i do think they will go all the way. call em what you like its been done the hard route all day long. UP THE FEV.

[lingard]

On 30/09/2019 at 05:54, goldcoaster said:

Until recently, I've always been of the belief that finals are the best way to decide who the champions are. My rationale had been the NRL has so many different winners, compared to the EPL which had so few. My thought had been finals give more chance of an upset winner.

Now i've changed my tune, I think you have more chance of different teams winning in a first-past-the-post system. SL would have had seven sifferent champions if that was the case, rather than 4. It doesn't reward success from being the best over a (very long) home and away season.

Which brings us to this Toronto game. Toronto have clearly been the best team in the championship for the last two years. It would be a crime if they weren't promoted. They shouldn't even have to go through a final to get promoted. With all due respect to Fev, they don't deserve to be promoted on the basis they strung 4 wins together in September.

Fev would have been promoted in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 on that reckoning then.

[JohnM]

1 hour ago, damp squib said:

If you're going to play the plucky little Fev card at least be honest about it.

Yes. It's not a pit village. 

How many players were born and bred in Featherstone? 

Don't make it what it isn't. 

What it is, is a long standing club that has survived hard times and bad management and bad ownership to become real contenders for a place in the top tier once again. 

The idea about pits and miners and hard players is no longer true, if it ever was true. How many miners played for Australia over the years? Or for PNG, NZ. Pacific Islands? 

[damp squib]

I never said anything about miners in my post.

[JohnM]

1 hour ago, damp squib said:

I never said anything about miners in my post.

No, indeed you didn't. 

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

Looks like 2/3 of Rugby League fans are backing the Wolfpack, good to see 

[Gooleboy]

Just now, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Looks like 2/3 of Rugby League fans are backing the Wolfpack, good to see 

Why is that good to see?

[Dunbar]

I've just voted and plumped for Toronto.

I have always liked Fev as a club and team and would enjoy seeing them in Super League.

But...

I know there have been dozens of topics on the value and credibility of Toronto and it seems like there are genuine and passionate opinions on both sides.

For me it boils down to one thing which is opportunity. We have an opportunity to spread our sport and create both interest in our domestic competition and a new territory and fans for our game. Like everyone else I don't know if we can realise this opportunity but it just feels to me that we have to try and take the chance as the potential upside is fantastic.

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

19 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Why is that good to see?

It’s good to see a majority of fans want to expand the game outside of small towns along the m62 

[GUBRATS]

2 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

It’s good to see a majority of fans want to expand the game outside of small towns along the m62 

But is it genuine expansion , or just relocation ?

[Tubby]

5 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

It’s good to see a majority of fans want to expand the game outside of small towns along the m62 

Unless it’s at the expense of your own club. I think it’s fair to say that the vast majority of rugby league fans welcome the idea of expansion, but we all have different views of how it should be done. 
 

I think most fans would prefer to see their own team succeed rather than any expansion team. Apart from the truly altruistic amongst us. 

[Niels]

28 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

It’s good to see a majority of fans want to expand the game outside of small towns along the m62 

It's about more than that though, especially for fans that attend games. 

Unless fierce rivals, usually fans will support the local side, especially if underdogs as that's the natural inclination. 

I've been to support Featherstone in semi finals before in matches against other Yorkshire sides, especially Leeds. I'm not going to suddenly switch to Toronto. Anyway even if I wanted to it doesn't work that way, its usually emotion that decides.

[lingard]

Part of me wants you to get what you want.  If Toronto get in they will have unlimited finances, will be able to pay iver the odds for players and drive up the costs for other clubs trying to play catch up.  It will be beyond the means of any other team.  You will all get sick and tired of watching TWP at the top of SL while other clubs bankrupt themselves trying to compete.

 

and Wigan can go

[Oxford]

11 minutes ago, lingard said:

Part of me wants you to get what you want.  If Toronto get in they will have unlimited finances, will be able to pay iver the odds for players and drive up the costs for other clubs trying to play catch up.  It will be beyond the means of any other team.  You will all get sick and tired of watching TWP at the top of SL while other clubs bankrupt themselves trying to compete.

 

and Wigan can go

 

[Eddie]

On 30/09/2019 at 18:39, Mister Ting said:

Fourteen teams is way too many.

The top league needs fewer games with more quality.

14 teams playing each other twice plus magic would still be fewer games than the current format, and it would be much more interesting. I get bored of seeing the same teams playing each other so often. 

[Smudger06]

24 minutes ago, Celt said:

This game is like The Future vs The Past.

It's like normal, forward-looking people (66% or so) who want to see Rugby League become like other sports... Global, (or at least international) with recognisable cities as venues, and occupying something of a visible position in mainstream media and general public sporting consciousness. The sort of sport that pops on CNN's evening bulletin 'World Sport' for example.

And facing off against them, it's like the minority of bitter, backward looking folk who live in the past, and cling to a depressing era where people had polio and breathed coal dust all day. They talk about "The Good Old Days" even though they were miserable times. They want Rugby League to be a version of Little Britain ... "A local sport, for local people". They are the sort of people who were scared of automated spinning jennies appearing in towns around them hundreds of years ago. When "foreign" teams show up in their town, they shout aggressive, xenophobic, abusive insults at the visiting fans. "Britain for the British" is their mantra. This was acceptable in the 1970s.... And most of these people still live in that era. Instead of a league made up of places like London, Perpignan, Leeds, Toulouse, Toronto.... Their aspiration is to have 3 teams from Wakefield in the competition.

 

Seek some help. 

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

On 30/09/2019 at 10:10, tuutaisrambo said:

Didn't think we'd beat Leigh

Didn't think we'd beat York

Didn't think we'd beat Toulouse

and i don't think we have much of a chance against Toronto on a short week 3500 miles away on a plastic pitch

but with this coach and these players and the team spirit they have you never know.

Last night was amazing...... a fantastic achievement by our club........then this morning i come on here and read some of the miserable tosh being spouted and i despair

I bet some of you lot must go around telling 4 year olds Santa isn't real 

Plastic pitch? Getting the excuses in a bit early aren't we?

Oh and I'd want Toronto to be in SL, because they bring far more to the game as a whole, there's a huge opportunity with having Toronto in SL but the naysayers and narrow minded types would have us continue on the path that leads to self destruction in a world that has an ever decreasing market/money offer.

If Featherstone win, that's fine, they've won the place by right of the rules in place, however it will be a backward step as far as promoting the sport both nationally and internationally.

[Kayakman]

4 hours ago, lingard said:

  You will all get sick and tired of watching TWP at the top of SL while other clubs bankrupt themselves trying to compete.

 

(C)  I promise I won't get tired of watching it....(A) sort of looking forward to it...(N) Toronto right to the top like cream in a cooler..(A) 3-4 years at the most before we dominate ....(D) The colonies on top once again.  (A) Canada taking over Great Britain.

C-A-N-A-D-A!

[goldcoaster]

11 hours ago, lingard said:

Fev would have been promoted in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 on that reckoning then.

they would - except there was no P&R in that period.

[lingard]

6 hours ago, Celt said:

This game is like The Future vs The Past.

It's like normal, forward-looking people (66% or so) who want to see Rugby League become like other sports... Global, (or at least international) with recognisable cities as venues, and occupying something of a visible position in mainstream media and general public sporting consciousness. The sort of sport that pops on CNN's evening bulletin 'World Sport' for example.

And facing off against them, it's like the minority of bitter, backward looking folk who live in the past, and cling to a depressing era where people had polio and breathed coal dust all day. They talk about "The Good Old Days" even though they were miserable times. They want Rugby League to be a version of Little Britain ... "A local sport, for local people". They are the sort of people who were scared of automated spinning jennies appearing in towns around them hundreds of years ago. When "foreign" teams show up in their town, they shout aggressive, xenophobic, abusive insults at the visiting fans. "Britain for the British" is their mantra. This was acceptable in the 1970s.... And most of these people still live in that era. Instead of a league made up of places like London, Perpignan, Leeds, Toulouse, Toronto.... Their aspiration is to have 3 teams from Wakefield in the competition.

 

 

41 minutes ago, goldcoaster said:

they would - except there was no P&R in that period.

clowns.  66% of RL has become very arrogant over the last 20 years.  

“A local sport for local people" is a lifted parody from The League of Gentleman, something you are not part of, and written by people that studied and lived in one of these backwards introverted Northern towns.  

[Cerulean]

8 hours ago, Celt said:

This game is like The Future vs The Past.

It's like normal, forward-looking people (66% or so) who want to see Rugby League become like other sports... Global, (or at least international) with recognisable cities as venues, and occupying something of a visible position in mainstream media and general public sporting consciousness. The sort of sport that pops on CNN's evening bulletin 'World Sport' for example.

And facing off against them, it's like the minority of bitter, backward looking folk who live in the past, and cling to a depressing era where people had polio and breathed coal dust all day. They talk about "The Good Old Days" even though they were miserable times. They want Rugby League to be a version of Little Britain ... "A local sport, for local people". They are the sort of people who were scared of automated spinning jennies appearing in towns around them hundreds of years ago. When "foreign" teams show up in their town, they shout aggressive, xenophobic, abusive insults at the visiting fans. "Britain for the British" is their mantra. This was acceptable in the 1970s.... And most of these people still live in that era. Instead of a league made up of places like London, Perpignan, Leeds, Toulouse, Toronto.... Their aspiration is to have 3 teams from Wakefield in the competition.

 

Can I suggest that Cognitive Behaviour Therapy and Mindfulness can be of value, and a combination of both can be very effective. But I would really encourage you  look towards professional intervention.

And shame on those who reinforce your difficulties.

[Gooleboy]

7 hours ago, Celt said:

This game is like The Future vs The Past.

It's like normal, forward-looking people (66% or so) who want to see Rugby League become like other sports... Global, (or at least international) with recognisable cities as venues, and occupying something of a visible position in mainstream media and general public sporting consciousness. The sort of sport that pops on CNN's evening bulletin 'World Sport' for example.

And facing off against them, it's like the minority of bitter, backward looking folk who live in the past, and cling to a depressing era where people had polio and breathed coal dust all day. They talk about "The Good Old Days" even though they were miserable times. They want Rugby League to be a version of Little Britain ... "A local sport, for local people". They are the sort of people who were scared of automated spinning jennies appearing in towns around them hundreds of years ago. When "foreign" teams show up in their town, they shout aggressive, xenophobic, abusive insults at the visiting fans. "Britain for the British" is their mantra. This was acceptable in the 1970s.... And most of these people still live in that era. Instead of a league made up of places like London, Perpignan, Leeds, Toulouse, Toronto.... Their aspiration is to have 3 teams from Wakefield in the competition.

 

If you are referring to people like me, a Featherstone supporter since 1964, which it sounds like, well let me tell you this, and it is the same for everyone else I know. We are all RL supporters as well and want to see the game succeed with expansion being crucial for the game to survive. What does irk is when Clubs are created and don't last five minutes. Of course I want Featherstone to win on Saturday, but if TWP win, good luck to them in the SL, and I would hope they can go in, hold their own and grow the game in Canada, same if we had lost to Toulouse. But if we win, and it is a big if, we deserve our chance as well, every Club in the lower Leagues should not have their ambition stifled in favour of new Clubs and closed shops.

[hrtbps]

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[gingdong]

9 hours ago, Smudger06 said:

Seek some help. 

the big joke with his statement m8 is for 1 we have no problem with foreign big city teams as long as they follow the same rules as us and 2,  they talk about the major metropolis with 2.9 million population against the 14k population pit village but the thing is not 1 of that 2.9 million are in the team yet BOTH teams have players from the 14 k pit village you just couldnt make it up

[hrtbps]

10 hours ago, Celt said:

This game is like The Future vs The Past.

It's like normal, forward-looking people (66% or so) who want to see Rugby League become like other sports... Global, (or at least international) with recognisable cities as venues, and occupying something of a visible position in mainstream media and general public sporting consciousness. The sort of sport that pops on CNN's evening bulletin 'World Sport' for example.

And facing off against them, it's like the minority of bitter, backward looking folk who live in the past, and cling to a depressing era where people had polio and breathed coal dust all day. They talk about "The Good Old Days" even though they were miserable times. They want Rugby League to be a version of Little Britain ... "A local sport, for local people". They are the sort of people who were scared of automated spinning jennies appearing in towns around them hundreds of years ago. When "foreign" teams show up in their town, they shout aggressive, xenophobic, abusive insults at the visiting fans. "Britain for the British" is their mantra. This was acceptable in the 1970s.... And most of these people still live in that era. Instead of a league made up of places like London, Perpignan, Leeds, Toulouse, Toronto.... Their aspiration is to have 3 teams from Wakefield in the competition.

 

I'm a proud Flat Capper. I've been going since I was a kid, and my dad since he was a kid. I love our club and the community it represents. I'm what you might call a typical Fev fan - working class lad, grandson of a miner etc. 

I'm also a Cambridge alumnus. I've traveled the world and lived abroad. I speak the languages of the countries I lived in. I've friends from around the world. I'm a Remain-voting internationalist socialist whose politics are diametrically opposed to those of Farage etc.

I support attempts to grow and improve Rugby League. My first hand experiences of Toronto fans in particular have been overwhelmingly positive and it's been a pleasure to see them embrace our sport.

I also want Toronto to lose on Saturday, because I want my club to experience Super League for the first time. 

So with respect, you can stick your snobbery and cliches.

Up the Flat Cappers!