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Sat 26 Oct: Lions Tour: Tongan Invitational XIII v Great Britain (BBC)

Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • Tongan Invitational XIII by 13 points or more
      0
    • Tongan Invitational XIII by 7 to 12 points
      8
    • Tongan Invitational XIII by 1 to 6 points
      3
    • Great Britain by 1 to 6 points
      8
    • Great Britain by 7 to 12 points
      27
    • Great Britain by 13 points or more
      23

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  • Poll closed on 26/10/19 at 06:30

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3 minutes ago, bamfordsbeans said:

Has the disparity between GB/England and our union counterparts ever been greater?

Time to bury our heads in the sand and look forward to the club games that will grab the nations attention!

We were in a World Cup final which we just narrowly lost just 2 years ago.

Weve lost a game to a very good Tonga side no need for everyone to panic.

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6 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Anyone pointing the finger at McGilvary and Hall bringing the ball away from their line constantly and picking fault in them is missing the point.  They had to do this because we lost the tactical kicking battle... giving away cheap 7 tackle sets with balls being caught in-goal or going dead.  If the end of a Tongan set resulted in a kick to the corer and the English wings returning the ball then that is the fault of us gifting them cheap ball and not containing their roll.  The wingers did what they had to do and with the exception of a couple of soft errors from McGilvary they did it well enough.

The reason why we don't see the Australian wingers are not constantly carrying the ball away from their own line is not because of the talent of the wingers but the talents of the halves/spine who exert pressure of their opponents in a way that Great Britain singularly failed to do today.

If we failed to exert the control through a poor kicking game then it was down to the middle forwards to try and contain the big Tongan pack.  The two middle forwards who matched the Tongans for power today were Tom Burgess (144 metres) and Walmsley (127 metres).  Graham and Hill with 52 running metres and 72 respectively struggled.  The loss of Thompson early was a big blow as he has the physical presence and engine to match the Tongans.

The root cause of todays loss though was a lack of control and creativity in the spine.  Look at the running game of Tedesco and Tuivasa-Sheck in the test yesterday.  They 181 and 157 metres and yet today we had Coote run for just 6 metres.  If he is not there for a running threat then he has to be more creative and execute and better kicking game than he did today.

Just as poor as Coote was Hodgson.  His distribution from dummy half was simply awful and then he gets into a mode where he tries too hard and again executes poor kicks to give away 7 tackle sets.

Excellent analysis.

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5 minutes ago, DavidM said:

We keep hearing we play a more open game , so I don’t know where that goes in international footy . The number of times we just drive it in and die with the ball . The top teams will comfortably defend what we produce 

Repetition is not truth. See also comments about "robotic" NRL players. It is just a small minority who think if they keep saying it, it'll somehow become the truth.

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As a Great Britain fan of course this disappoints.  But the idea that games like this are poor for the international game and the idea that we should 'retreat' to the club game are massively wide of the mark.

This is the time to grab the international game and showcase the Tongans as well as the Samoans and Fijians so that the top table of international Rugby League looks very healthy.

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3 minutes ago, bar red said:

At the end we had 4 half backs, 0 centres and 2 old wingers,  how could we possibly hope to come from behind.

There's no threat of "just throw it to Latrell or Addo-Carr and see what happens" in this GB team. Time and again when GB went wide the Tongans numbered up and still had the inside covered. What happened to the old angled runner coming back in at pace, like Gareth Ellis used to run at Wests Tigers?

And what happened to the standard tactic when playing against big packs: move the ball from side to side and wear out their big men?

Tongan forwards also had the bit of footwork just before the line so the tacklers can't deliver full impact because they're a bit off-balance. How many times did we see a Tongan forward sat on his backside?

I don't like the over-analysis of the modern game so much but you can see the difference here today. When a Tongan player was tackled he was nearly always on his knees, facing forward and getting a 4-5 second PTB. The goal in NRL is to put them on their backs facing the wrong way with 2 guys on top of them. This results in a 9-10 second PTB. It seems miniscule but it's the difference between having your entire defensive line in formation and having a couple out of position on each play. The defence is able to break their opponent's attack into a series of one-off plays, rather than a rolling attacking movement. By the time the ball gets out to the centres the gap that may have been there with a 5-second PTB has been filled.

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1 minute ago, Futtocks said:

Repetition is not truth. See also comments about "robotic" NRL players. It is just a small minority who think if they keep saying it, it'll somehow become the truth.

Indeed , repetition nor stereotyping . 

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10 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Anyone pointing the finger at McGilvary and Hall bringing the ball away from their line constantly and picking fault in them is missing the point.  They had to do this because we lost the tactical kicking battle... giving away cheap 7 tackle sets with balls being caught in-goal or going dead.  If the end of a Tongan set resulted in a kick to the corer and the English wings returning the ball then that is the fault of us gifting them cheap ball and not containing their roll.  The wingers did what they had to do and with the exception of a couple of soft errors from McGilvary they did it well enough.

Exactly. Hall and McGillvray have done precisely the same thing in successful international performances, because they are strong runners and it helps the pack. 


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1 hour ago, Jacko45 said:

Superleauge was brought in & teams like Oldham,Fev & Keighley removed to help beat the Aussies, we're no where nearer than 25 years ago.

The rugby league butterfly effect eh. Keighley not let into Super League; 24 years later GB lose to Tonga.

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I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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2 hours ago, Oliver Clothesoff said:

The abuse of the referee on here is embarrassing. Game is flowing well and played at a good speed. 

 

Agreed, for me he’s having a good game 

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Just now, Gerrumonside ref said:

As disappointed as we are - is it a shot in the arm for Tonga given their currentoff field troubles?

Certainly. The feelgood factor continues for Tonga.

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4 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Certainly. The feelgood factor continues for Tonga.

I’m sure the Tongan board will add their congratulations and wallow in the glow of victory . Maybe it won’t be an invitational 13 next week ?

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3 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

Is this the nucleus of the squad that we hope will lift the World Cup in 2021?

Or is it the last hurrah of some long term servants?

Are we in transition?

Feels like we have been in transition for 50 years.

On another point, I simply cannot enjoy a game when Dave Woods is commentating. He is the worst amongst so many bad commentators we have in our game.

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2 minutes ago, Jim Prendle said:

Feels like we have been in transition for 50 years.

On another point, I simply cannot enjoy a game when Dave Woods is commentating. He is the worst amongst so many bad commentators we have in our game.

I like Dave Woods!

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56 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

Ack about the pack battering. It relates to tactics; specifically field position. The perception I had is their forwards won more rucks allowing their kickers to play on the front foot a bit more winning field position. Ours didn’t and we kicked aimlessly at times. 

Then when we had field position, the tactic of using Hodgson in everything hindered our attacking structures. A lot of drop offs too... 

I think your 2nd paragraph is absolutely the issue. Quite a few times it looked like we were getting on the front foot and we went with the tactics of NRL players only being allowed to touch the ball.

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4 minutes ago, Jim Prendle said:

Feels like we have been in transition for 50 years.

On another point, I simply cannot enjoy a game when Dave Woods is commentating. He is the worst amongst so many bad commentators we have in our game.

I think he's excellent, one of the best commentators in any sport. When you listen to the uninformed drivel that goes for football commentators nowadays he's head and shoulders above 

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51 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

What by winning by kicking loads of penalties?

They won mate, that's the point. Floyd mayweather wasn't the most exciting boxer in the world but the point is he won and its about winning. 

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Not suprised at the result,  despite the pages and threads this will generate I will just say: Rugby League, we are really not very good at it anymore.

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Well done Tonga. Can we have England v Tonga in England some time this century, please? Maybe announced more than a week ahead too?

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27 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I think your 2nd paragraph is absolutely the issue. Quite a few times it looked like we were getting on the front foot and we went with the tactics of NRL players only being allowed to touch the ball.

He was like that in the World Cup. He literally never passed it to Gale.

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2 hours ago, dkw said:

I switched over after the final whistle to watch 5 minutes of it, I had to reset my sky box as I thought it was stuck on 1/4 speed playback... 

Not a fan of Union but far ahead of league these days. 

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