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Wigan has joined Huddersfield in the bid to become the host of Rugby League’s national museum. It’s claimed the proposed attraction, which would be based...

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Understandable. Wigan is the spiritual home of Rugby League, with the most successful team of all time. 

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33 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Understandable. Wigan is the spiritual home of Rugby League, with the most successful team of all time. 

Think you'll find the spiritual home is Oldham. From where the greatest game was run for the first 25 years of its existence.  As this article says, from 1910, without joseph platt the game wouldn't be what it is. Oldham was the place where the game was nurtured , from where the new format was formulated . Joseph Platt a son of Oldham, father of Rugby league.

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13 hours ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

Think you'll find the spiritual home is Oldham. From where the greatest game was run for the first 25 years of its existence.  As this article says, from 1910, without joseph platt the game wouldn't be what it is. Oldham was the place where the game was nurtured , from where the new format was formulated . Joseph Platt a son of Oldham, father of Rugby league.

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Exactly right !

Just because Wigan have been successful doesn't mean it is the "spiritual home" of the game. Without the efforts of many people, but in particular Joseph Platt, then the game would not even have existed. He was the original instigator in the fight against the Rugby Union's stand on broken-time payments and it was he who did most of the organising prior to the meeting at the George Hotel in 1895. After that he became the Northern Union's first secretary and ran the affairs of the league from his own offices in Oldham (ie the Red Hall of those days) until he retired in1922. The blue plaque shown below is now on the front of those offices at 11 Queen Street, Oldham.

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As the plaque says "He is considered by many to be the father of Rugby League" ... you can't get more spiritual than that !

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Please God...anywhere but Oldham. Imagine the game taking off in the US (NRL games being shown across the US at present, I think) and them seeing the spiritual home as a wet and weary fog bound former mill town. I realise that the same accusation will be aimed at Wigan or Huddersfield, which would bring modern cities like Manchester and Leeds into the reckoning. 


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24 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Please God...anywhere but Oldham. Imagine the game taking off in the US (NRL games being shown across the US at present, I think) and them seeing the spiritual home as a wet and weary fog bound former mill town. I realise that the same accusation will be aimed at Wigan or Huddersfield, which would bring modern cities like Manchester and Leeds into the reckoning. 

What a dreadful attitude 

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Wigan, Huddersfield and Headingley have the best claims if we're going to judge it on history of the sport. Not sure if that's the criteria or not.

Given it's there and available and easy to access (by rail at least) it's still hard to look past the George Hotel.

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1 hour ago, JohnM said:

Please God...anywhere but Oldham. Imagine the game taking off in the US (NRL games being shown across the US at present, I think) and them seeing the spiritual home as a wet and weary fog bound former mill town. I realise that the same accusation will be aimed at Wigan or Huddersfield, which would bring modern cities like Manchester and Leeds into the reckoning. 

Please can you point out where any of us said the museum should be in Oldham ?

The answers to your original post were in reply to you saying that Wigan was the spiritual home of Rugby League.

YOU might believe so .... I suspect the vast majority won't.

Furhermore,  it appears you are somewhat ashamed that RL was actually born in what was at the time a thriving mill town. If so, perhaps another sport might be more ideal for you ... perhaps at Wimbledon or Henley ?

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30 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

Leeds would be my choice, big, modern city in a decent location transport links wise and the home of one of the most successful teams. George Hotel would be a fantastic location as well with the history link. 

Yes, personally I think the historical connection with the George Hotel would sway it for me.

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The spiritual home and the birthplace of the game is the George Hotel, the Hotel was chosen in 1895 because of it's central location to most clubs, and that's still the case, although we would have probably liked the game to have shifted away from or included former textile and mining towns in the North of England in a wider geographical spread, but we haven't.

So the hotel is the birthplace of the game, it's centrally located in the heartlands of the sport, it's next door to a mainline railway station with links to a lot of the clubs, fan base and visitors, it's easily accessible from big cities like Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford, Newcastle, York, Hull, and Sheffield,  for any overseas visitors, there's a direct service from Manchester airport and Glasgow, Edinburgh, London and the Midlands are only one change of station away.

It's located in a large cosmopolitan town, which has reinvented itself from an industrial powerhouse to a place of learning and commerce mainly thanks to the University and it's recent links with the far East, a town that could promote itself and the game well.

Lots of RL fans across the world and even non RL fans are aware of the George hotel and Huddersfield as being the birthplace of the game, and for me, it should be the only place any museum or any RL themed place should be located.

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I've not read the article yet so if its Wigan will and where will it be situated? Huddersfield have a ready made facility and dont rule out Saints .when you think of RL these are the type of towns you imagine.  Just wait for the sleeve to put his head above the parapet . 


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1 hour ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

Leeds would be my choice, big, modern city in a decent location transport links wise and the home of one of the most successful teams. George Hotel would be a fantastic location as well with the history link. 

If it is decided to place it in the George Hotel then I look forward to its grand opening sometime around 2030.

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1 hour ago, RL does what Sky says said:

Yes, personally I think the historical connection with the George Hotel would sway it for me.

If the choice is the George in Huddersfield or somewhere in Wigan, then it has to the George. The problem is, as always, money. 

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Partially money.  Partially the heritage issue.  For us older fans that is important, though for younger fans, newer fans and fans as yet unborn, it's the future of the game that is the most important, in my view. 

Yes we need to be aware of the history but it's the game that's the thing, laying, watching, arguing, discussing.

Common sense says it won't be Wigan (despite their immense presence and contribution to the longevity of the game) or Oldham.

Anyone who has ever visited the Tolpuddle Martyrs museum will surely testify that hiding away a heritage out of public view is a recipe for forgetfulness. 

Look forwards and upwards, not downwards and backwards. Kill the "Four Yorkshiremen" sketch. 

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50 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Partially money.  Partially the heritage issue.  For us older fans that is important, though for younger fans, newer fans and fans as yet unborn, it's the future of the game that is the most important, in my view. 

Yes we need to be aware of the history but it's the game that's the thing, laying, watching, arguing, discussing.

Common sense says it won't be Wigan (despite their immense presence and contribution to the longevity of the game) or Oldham.

Anyone who has ever visited the Tolpuddle Martyrs museum will surely testify that hiding away a heritage out of public view is a recipe for forgetfulness. 

Look forwards and upwards, not downwards and backwards. Kill the "Four Yorkshiremen" sketch. 

Again, just to clarify, we never mentioned about Oldham hosting the museum, yet we do believe that Joseph Platt is somewhat of a forgotten man in the history of Rugby League despite him being it's equivalent of William Webb-Ellis (.. but one with a real story behind his founding of the game).

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2 hours ago, meast said:

The spiritual home and the birthplace of the game is the George Hotel, the Hotel was chosen in 1895 because of it's central location to most clubs, and that's still the case, although we would have probably liked the game to have shifted away from or included former textile and mining towns in the North of England in a wider geographical spread, but we haven't.

So the hotel is the birthplace of the game, it's centrally located in the heartlands of the sport, it's next door to a mainline railway station with links to a lot of the clubs, fan base and visitors, it's easily accessible from big cities like Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford, Newcastle, York, Hull, and Sheffield,  for any overseas visitors, there's a direct service from Manchester airport and Glasgow, Edinburgh, London and the Midlands are only one change of station away.

It's located in a large cosmopolitan town, which has reinvented itself from an industrial powerhouse to a place of learning and commerce mainly thanks to the University and it's recent links with the far East, a town that could promote itself and the game well.

Lots of RL fans across the world and even non RL fans are aware of the George hotel and Huddersfield as being the birthplace of the game, and for me, it should be the only place any museum or any RL themed place should be located.

Was it a success\popular when it was previously in Huddersfield?

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13 minutes ago, Damien said:

Was it a success\popular when it was previously in Huddersfield?

Was what a success?

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1 minute ago, meast said:

Was what a success?

The Rugby League Heritage Centre Museum that was previously in Huddersfield.

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