Eddie Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: What are you even on about? Nowhere have I taken “a side” on that argument. You said Championship chairmen will act in self interest and oppose the removal of P&R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, Eddie said: You said Championship chairmen will act in self interest and oppose the removal of P&R. No, I didn’t. I said “both parties will be as guilty as the other of self interest...” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatmichaelsays Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Four big things for me: Reform the voting structure of the SLE board to reduce the power of the clubs. Give more power to the SLE executive and ensure that the players union has a place on the board. Make elements of central funding performance-related based on certain metrics around commercial performance and player development. Replace the salary cap with a version of FFP that is linked to club turnover, with mechanisms to limit the impact of "directors loans" that will never be repaid. Remove loop fixtures and in their place, promote short-form versions of the game to appeal to new audiences. Talk of league structures, to be honest, is akin to discussion where to reposition the deckchairs on the Titanic. No one particular structure will fix big systemic issues - some will be better for fixing them than others - but those issues still need addressing for any structure to be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: No, I didn’t. I said “both parties will be as guilty as the other of self interest...” Guilty being the operative word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Eddie said: Guilty being the operative word. If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Is there anyone on here who has a clue about planning in a position that if you fail you lose everything, so far it reads like red book 1 basic business for council employees. first thing you do is understand where you want to be in 5 years, in today’s climate that must be how many SL clubs, and what expectations are below it - at present it seems we haven’t got a clue, no vision then you break down the components of how you are going to get there, this will include expansion, tv deals, tv audiences, sponsorship, p&r, gates, financial stability of clubs, stadiums etc you deliver a broad mission statement, set your annual goals ie route, allocate ownership of goals and manage accordingly - communicating openly to your stakeholders as you go and dealing with failure via process, re routing when necessary- RL must understand that ownership and meeting goals are not dirty words RL must become commercial results orientated, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 My rules of planning (pinched from a TV Show) 1. Make the plan 2. Execute the plan 3. Expect the plan to go off the rails 4. Throw away the plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, Spidey said: My rules of planning (pinched from a TV Show) 1. Make the plan 2. Execute the plan 3. Expect the plan to go off the rails 4. Throw away the plan Nowt changes then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbear Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Without the new TV deal you can’t determine the league structure, the whole future of the game as a pro sport hinges on the TV deal and how the sport can sell itself, otherwise there will just not be enough money in the game to stop a mass talent flow to the NRL and RU. Once the deal is secured, it must be spent wisely, we really need strong leadership, question is where will it come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 You take your plan to the table and get buy in from those who want to be a part of the journey - here we seem to want the sport to sit at the table with look we aint got a clue what we are doing, where we want to be and what we can do for you - but can we have some money please, go on pretty please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rocket Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 On 04/08/2020 at 01:24, Oldbear said: Without the new TV deal you can’t determine the league structure, the whole future of the game as a pro sport hinges on the TV deal and how the sport can sell itself, otherwise there will just not be enough money in the game to stop a mass talent flow to the NRL and RU. Once the deal is secured, it must be spent wisely, we really need strong leadership, question is where will it come from? It amazes me how the posters state-side and those from OZ seem to be so much more focused on the importance of the TV deal. I think the Brits don`t have a lot of faith in the Broadcasters. Could be a result of playing second fiddle to soccer for so long. There doesn`t seem to be a lot of faith in their leaders as well. Maybe an independent Commission to run the game that is answerable to no one but the best interests of the game even if noses are put massively out of joint. How would it be elected/appointed though? If the broadcasters could be sold a vision for the potential of the game they may then be interested in throwing them a bit more cash. It seems to me though some toes need to be stood on big time if it is going to break out of its current gridlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbear Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 3 hours ago, The Rocket said: It amazes me how the posters state-side and those from OZ seem to be so much more focused on the importance of the TV deal. I think the Brits don`t have a lot of faith in the Broadcasters. Here in North America the sheer size of the broadcasting contracts is what helps make the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB so huge. Millions of fans only ever see their team via TV, doesn’t stop them buying the jersey and other assorted stuff. Of course the TV companies can then have a level of control that most British RL fans would find very uncomfortable, such as flexing game times at short notice, even changing game days with little notice, along with a myriad of different ways to advertise products and let’s face it, the number of Covid cases in the US is out of control, but MLB and NBA are playing in the US, because TV dictates. TV also influences the make up of the league, not just the schedule and number of teams but often the participants. Rules are also changed to make things more TV friendly, I’m assuming such things have also happened in the NRL with the likes of captains challenge. I think you are right in that RL in the UK needs to be able to sell itself to UK and worldwide broadcasters if it wants a bigger deal. The problem is does the RFL/SL have the right people to make the pitch and if not, who should do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clogiron Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 5 year plan! The people in charge of the game here are lucky if they make it to the toilet before they siht their pants, that's their level of planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Get a 6.15pm Sunday game on free to air. Give Sky what they want, Thursday and Friday Night rugby league 1st and 2nd Pick of the round + flexible short notice scheduling after mid season. But they must give up exclusivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: Get a 6.15pm Sunday game on free to air. Give Sky what they want, Thursday and Friday Night rugby league 1st and 2nd Pick of the round + flexible short notice scheduling after mid season. But they must give up exclusivity. I have to agree with this. 1 game a week FTA should be an essential part of the next TV deal. Even if all the rest are on sky, this may well be the last TV deal where FTA means something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Trinity Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 On 03/08/2020 at 07:46, Mr Plow said: Either a playoff or exemption from relegation for a year or so is the best way to do it. Then you don’t have teams going straight down So if a team comes up finishes bottom you relegate the team above them? No incentive for a promoted team to try and avoid relegation but punishing a team above them? is that how you would play it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Five year plan! 1. Form a committee to discuss the idea of a possible plan. 2. Work out the plan and send to clubs for feedback. 3. Agree with clubs that we don't need to rush into these things. 4. Form a committee to further discuss the merits of a new idea that somebody's milkman had last Thursday. 5. Send it to the clubs for feedback. And repeat Repeat Repeat Repeat Not cynical me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiganermike Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Forever Trinity said: So if a team comes up finishes bottom you relegate the team above them? No incentive for a promoted team to try and avoid relegation but punishing a team above them? is that how you would play it? The one year exemption from relegation is more to mitigate the handicap that all promoted clubs face in terms of recruitment due to their promotion not being confirmed until the last week of the season. Not many SL standard players will commit to a club in the Championship in the hope that said club will be promoted before they play for them. The promoted team ends up with the best of its Championship squad plus a few players from the relegated club and players the rest of SL didn't want. This means that the first season is almost always a struggle and many teams go straight back down. An exemption from relegation in year one means that while they will still struggle and may finish bottom they can seek to sign players for the following year safe in the knowledge that they will be in SL. This increases the chances of a team promoted into SL being able to establish themselves and having an extended run in the top tier rather than a succession of yo-yo P&R that damages the clubs involved. A squad of players may not prove strong enough to avoid finishing bottom but no team is not going to try. In such a system every team would begin the season knowing that to be certain of staying up that they needed to finish above 1 of the other 10 teams eligible for relegation. If they finish 10th or better that will be enough no matter what, they would have a full season to avoid going down knowing what was required to do so. They would also know that if they were relegated that after any subsequent promotion they would be guaranteed two years in SL to become strong enough to avoid being relegated again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 The beauty of the mid 8’s was that promoted team simply had to be better than those wishing to take its place on that day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 On 06/08/2020 at 22:45, Smudger06 said: Get a 6.15pm Sunday game on free to air. Give Sky what they want, Thursday and Friday Night rugby league 1st and 2nd Pick of the round + flexible short notice scheduling after mid season. But they must give up exclusivity. Doddle..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 9 hours ago, sweaty craiq said: The beauty of the mid 8’s was that promoted team simply had to be better than those wishing to take its place on that day Wish they’d have kept something like the qualifiers maybe a relegation playoff or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 9 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Doddle..... Used to have it, didn't we? And everyone hated it. EDIT Not FTA though, on Sky. I can't see any decent FTA channel having a regular Sunday evening slot for any sport, let alone rugby league. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 On 01/08/2020 at 18:28, Whippet13 said: It's too early for a 5 year plan and the game has too short an attention span to maintain one anyway. Yet a 5yr plan isn’t long enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 13 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Doddle..... That is the doddle, the hard bit is getting Sky to give up exclusivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 4 hours ago, gingerjon said: Used to have it, didn't we? And everyone hated it. EDIT Not FTA though, on Sky. I can't see any decent FTA channel having a regular Sunday evening slot for any sport, let alone rugby league. FTA would snap it up. They are desperate for live sport, they have been totally and utterly outmatched for everything by Sky & BT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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