Sat 5 Jun: CCSF: Hull FC v St Helens KO 14:30 (TV)

[The Hallucinating Goose]

10 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Well, my enjoyment of this game just plummeted after that incident.

Same. Think I might turn off at halftime. 

[Hela Wigmen]

Hull’s heads have gone here. 

[Cheshire Setter]

4 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Its not possible to  differentiate between something that did happen and something  that didn't.  

Hypothetically, if you wrote the rule that says you can’t score when a player gets injured, what’s your interpretation if a player drops a high ball because he hurts his arm/fingers. What’s your justification, and how do you define injured? Because I’m not sure it can be done fairly.  What about if Griffin had plain dropped it and claimed injury? 
 

It was awful bad luck, not awful behaviour from Saints.

Edited June 5, 2021 by Cheshire Setter

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, Hela Wigmen said:

And give knock on. 

Yeah that would be fine. I think that’s what the ref should have done in that instance. 

[Scubby]

9 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I don’t think it was instinct. He was in obvious pain for a bit and threw the ball away. It wasn’t an injury in the tackle and a loose ball. Ref could have stopped play

My point was that it happened quickly. Saints then had a couple of minutes reflection on the advantage (perhaps unfair) they had taken and could have made amends from the kick off.

[graveyard johnny]

1 minute ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

Same. Think I might turn off at halftime. 

same here - the coverage is rubbish- the game is not great for various reasons

[JohnM]

2 minutes ago, Cheshire Setter said:

Hypothetically, if you wrote the rule that says you can’t score when a player gets injured, what’s your interpretation if a player drops a high ball because he hurts his arm/fingers. What’s your justification, and how do you define injured? Because I’m not sure it can be done fairly.  What about if Griffin had plain dropped it and claimed injury? 
 

It was awful bad luck, not awful behaviour from Saints.

Wrong, just wrong.

[The Magic Rat]

1 minute ago, Cheshire Setter said:

Hypothetically, if you wrote the rule that says you can’t score when a player gets injured, what’s your interpretation if a player drops a high ball because he hurts his arm/fingers. What’s your justification, and how do you define injured? Because I’m not sure it can be done fairly.  What about if Griffin had plain dropped it and claimed 

Totally different scenario.  Every player could see Griffin was badly injured 

[DavidM]

Griffin shouldn’t be throwing the ball away or none of that happens . Secondly Fages can’t instantly diagnose an injury , it’s split second . It’s tough but that’s the way it is until the ref interferes 

[Padge]

17 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Saints did absolutely nothing wrong there 

To the laws of the game no, to the image of the sport and in the name of sportsmanship it is a disgrace.

Edited June 5, 2021 by Padge

[Dunbar]

On the Fages try.  I was going to post that Griffin should have taken the ball to the ground with him but I didn't.  Interesting that the guys in the studio - ex pro players - have said he should have kept hold of the ball.

[Szymala]

1 minute ago, graveyard johnny said:

same here - the coverage is rubbish- the game is not great for various reasons

Agreed. I'm turned off by the faux excitement by the main commentator. 

[Hela Wigmen]

Good half in the end from us. Thought we were struggling and making a lot of errors with and without the ball in the first fifteen but weren’t really threatened by Hull inside our twenty metres. We finished the half better and improved as it went on, through our own hard work but also through the bad luck of Hull losing Griffin and Lane. 

I think Hull have lost their heads a bit and probably need this half time break. I expect a reaction in the second half even if they are down to two on the bench. 

[Cheshire Setter]

2 minutes ago, The Magic Rat said:

Totally different scenario.  Every player could see Griffin was badly injured 

So every time a ball goes loose in a tackle if the player claims injury you don’t award the knock on?   How can you possibly define a rule for this scenario? If the players team mates claim to have seen him injured? 

Edited June 5, 2021 by Cheshire Setter

[DavidM]

1 minute ago, Padge said:

To the laws of the game no, to the image of the sport and in the name of sportsmanship it is a disgrace.

That’s your opinion , you’re usually advocating the laws funnily enough 

[Pigeon Lofter]

1 minute ago, Padge said:

To the laws of the game no, to the image of the sport and in the name of sportsmanship it is a disgrace.

Absolutely!

Disgraceful lack of sportsmanship on show to the entire nation. Disgusting that it hasn't been corrected retrospectively by allowing Hull a free run to the line.

[Northern Eel]

I appreciate the difference of opinion here. It is a tough one.

For my money, at the time, I felt Fages did everything right. Having watched it again at half-time, I think I have changed my mind. 

Players know how tough they and their opponents are. The fact that one of them appeared to be in so much pain as to not be able to hold the ball, with nobody tackling him, gives me a sense that this was a particularly unique situation. The games should have stopped out of respect to a professional who was quite clearly in serious trouble. The problem is, it wasn't the ref's job to stop it, and Fages quite rightly wanted to score a try.

There was a great opportunity there for some heart-warming sportsmanship and we missed it, but I don;t think anyone is necessarily to 'blame' for this.

[Cheshire Setter]

Just now, DavidM said:

That’s your opinion , you’re usually advocating the laws funnily enough 

This is the thing. You play to the rules, not make them up. Otherwise why have the rules.

I’d like to see the same argument from fans if that Fages try was to win a cup final or grand final in the 80th minute for their own team.    Or would there be a caveat in this new rule that says it’s okay if it’s the match winning score...?

[Dunedan]

My biggest issue with the Fages try is the way he jumped up and screamed his delight like he'd just scored a worldie. Would've preferred to see him just get up and walk back. Nothing to be proud of in scoring that.

[dkw]

4 minutes ago, Padge said:

To the laws of the game no, to the image of the sport and in the name of sportsmanship it is a disgrace.

Quite hypocritical of you considering you often push the laws as the be all and end all.

[BringbackGB]

The most egregious act of sportsmanship I've ever seen.  Contrast what Fages did with Makinson's reaction.  Fages should be utterly ashamed of himself. 

[Rob Nash]

As a fan the perspective is different to a player. All I can honestly say is I hope those 6 points aren't the difference. Either Hull win or Saints win by more than 6. Until neither of those things happen it's moot. It was unsportsmanlike and gives ammo against the game but let's discuss that once the game has finished.

 

[The Magic Rat]

4 minutes ago, Cheshire Setter said:

So every time a ball goes loose in a tackle if the player claims injury you don’t award the knock on?   How can you possibly define a rule for this scenario? If the players team mates claim to have seen him injured? 

The ball didn't go loose in the tackle.  It was plain for everyone to see that Griffin was badly injured before he released the ball. Something you very rarely see in RL. You don't need to change any rules, Fages did nothing wrong but it was still the wrong thing to do. 

[Padge]

5 minutes ago, DavidM said:

That’s your opinion , you’re usually advocating the laws funnily enough 

And I said no laws were broken, Fage was within his rights to take the score, he was also in a position to take a tackle instead.

Awful display of bad sportsmanship not law breaking.

[dkw]

1 minute ago, BringbackGB said:

The most egregious act of sportsmanship I've ever seen.  Contrast what Fages did with Makinson's reaction.  Fages should be utterly ashamed of himself. 

Every single rl player is taught to play to the whistle from a kid, I bet 99% of all players would have done the same thing as Fages, as seen by the ex pros on commentary today.