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10 minutes ago, thebrewxi said:

Mate,  get tested again. I had 2 pcrs come back negative and the 3rd positive, all I had to start with was a headache and a sniffle.

Hopefully you've just got a cold, but I remember some of them were pretty bad in the old days too (pre covid, I'm struggling to remember).

I'm just coming out the back of a covid though; double jabbed, 42,  pretty healthy, and it destroyed me and wife for over a week. So take care Kent Man, and everyone!

Sorry to hear that. 

Thanks for your kind words.

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So if super league does go to 2 divisions of 10 for 2023, I assume the sky deal would mean they have the rights for both divisions.

Would that mean premier sports would be broadcasting the 3rd tier in whatever form it exists?

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14 hours ago, Futtocks said:

I don't think Premier Sports and "significant finance" often appear in the same sentence. But regular broadcast exposure could help the leagues and the clubs attract more sponsorship.

I think that was the theory last time …

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14 hours ago, paulwalker71 said:

As always with these things, the devil is in the detail

The key question being: 'Is there money on the table for the clubs?' Or are we giving away the coverage in return for 'exposure' with Premier basically only covering the costs?

My recollection from last time was that they didn't actually pay anything to the clubs. The games were on Thursdays back then, and the coverage was pretty decent. 

It's currently £12.99 per month, which is quite a lot if the weekly RL game is the only thing you want to watch. 

There is no exposure behind a paywall. It looks like a poor deal from the outside. If It is exposure then make it free on RFL Youtube channel so people can find it. Or start charging vía OuRLeague. 

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2 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

I'm delighted if this means Championship/L1 RL is going to be shown regularly, but the fact that they're suggesting Monday evenings suggests that one group of people not involved in the decision was the players.

The sport does capitulate too much on tv slots. Sunday evening would have been much better

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18 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

I'm delighted if this means Championship/L1 RL is going to be shown regularly, but the fact that they're targeting Monday evenings suggests that one group of people not involved in the decision was the players.

 

15 minutes ago, Spidey said:

The sport does capitulate too much on tv slots. Sunday evening would have been much better

Do the broadcaster have an available slot elsewhere? With the URC (SA/Wales/Scottish/Irish/italian RU) and everything else they'll probably have a full weekend calendar already if they choose. Championship RL doesn't have the clout to demand a prime slot, or at least it hasn't proven it has.

As for consulting the players, ultimately this is the problem with part time leagues acting like full time comps. Either you act like full timers and get on with it, or you are part timers and accept the ceiling on that.

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8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

 

Do the broadcaster have an available slot elsewhere? With the URC (SA/Wales/Scottish/Irish/italian RU) and everything else they'll probably have a full weekend calendar already if they choose. Championship RL doesn't have the clout to demand a prime slot, or at least it hasn't proven it has.


I don’t think anybody in RL has clout. Do you really think SL asked for Thursday night games? 

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22 minutes ago, Spidey said:


I don’t think anybody in RL has clout. Do you really think SL asked for Thursday night games? 

No, they asked for Sky money and said what are the terms. Though I believe the new deal has had a bit more clout - all games televised standard, more main event slots etc.

But complaining about a TV company showing a comp like the Championship independent of the top level (domestic or international) and putting them in a non weekend slot seems a bit much.

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18 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

No, they asked for Sky money and said what are the terms. Though I believe the new deal has had a bit more clout - all games televised standard, more main event slots etc.

But complaining about a TV company showing a comp like the Championship independent of the top level (domestic or international) and putting them in a non weekend slot seems a bit much.

I’m not complaining about the TV station they’ll do what suits them

 

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No doubt that Premier Sports has improved alot since the championship was last on.

I personally think that it should also be streamed on Our League as well.

I spent 4/5 years working at various rugby union championship matches until SKY dumped it last year (They still I think do not have a deal rugby was painful at times however met some nice people Richmond especially) so the fact that it looks as if there is a possible deal for us is good news.

Paul

 

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27 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

I personally think that it should also be streamed on Our League as well.

In the press release, it said "it would go alongside streaming coverage on OurLeague". I doubt a subscription service looking for new sign-ups would allow a simulcast of the same game, so maybe this means PS matches would be additional to OurLeague streams of other fixtures.

Whether those OurLeague games would be PPV or free, who knows?

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I think it is positive they have returned to RL. I am interested to see how this works with potential restructuring. I personally don't mind the idea of a game on a Monday night although I would image that overall attendance will suffer (particularly for away fans). As to whether I would subscribe, probably if production values were ok (and better than they were when they last were involved).

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Lets say Leigh are to play Fev in a sunday 3pm non televised game next season with both teams up near the top, if not a top2 fixture. Corporate would be packed ie 20 exec boxes, sponsorship would be fully taken and dining room would have 200 in generating £40-50k, one would hope dependent on time of season a 4/5k gate and local pubs and on site beer/catering doing well.

Fast forward that to a monday evening and that income would conservatively drop by £40k and probably more.

If we have a deal that compensates the clubs for the losses and limits games that can be shown to 1 per season at home plus 1 away by lets say £50k per club then lt works, or indeed pay £50k per game shown to the home club.

If this is a fekk all deal then burn the paper its on unless its a major channel

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2 hours ago, Spidey said:

The sport does capitulate too much on tv slots. Sunday evening would have been much better

All sports play when TV tells them

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I think this is a challenging one to make work. Sometimes we need to be careful of vanity projects, and there is something of a risk here. 

There is a risk of this costing the sport money, so we need to look to use the TV coverage to drive income - but whether the low figures Premier delivers is enough to drive increased commercial income is to be seen. 

Ultimately the end outcome has to be more money - whether that is through raised profile, more eyeballs etc. but if this is a cost to the game, what is the point? 

Surely we know from the last time Premier had it whether it drove more income? 

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50 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

Lets say Leigh are to play Fev in a sunday 3pm non televised game next season with both teams up near the top, if not a top2 fixture. Corporate would be packed ie 20 exec boxes, sponsorship would be fully taken and dining room would have 200 in generating £40-50k, one would hope dependent on time of season a 4/5k gate and local pubs and on site beer/catering doing well.

Fast forward that to a monday evening and that income would conservatively drop by £40k and probably more.

If we have a deal that compensates the clubs for the losses and limits games that can be shown to 1 per season at home plus 1 away by lets say £50k per club then lt works, or indeed pay £50k per game shown to the home club.

If this is a fekk all deal then burn the paper its on unless its a major channel

I enjoy your posts SC.

In reality 20 boxes of 10 around 10000 (However most  boxes would be taken for the season)

Based on average championship price 200 persons another 10000

I would say that boxes would be taken anyway and VIP might drop by 50% in reality we are talking around 5K losses + any away fans not attending.

 

Paul

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10 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

I enjoy your posts SC.

In reality 20 boxes of 10 around 10000 (However most  boxes would be taken for the season)

Based on average championship price 200 persons another 10000

I would say that boxes would be taken anyway and VIP might drop by 50% in reality we are talking around 5K losses + any away fans not attending.

 

Paul

I enjoy your reasoning, it brightens up a cloudy day. 

Historically about 50% of boxes are for season and are at about £1k average, higher for some and lower for others - 10k loss

100 diners lost would be about 6k

Main match sponsors reduced by £5k

Plus gate drop by 1000-1500 plus secondary spends will be 40-50k in total

plus ###### off fans who have had their day taken away = immeasurable.

This needs filling from the deal otherwise you are expecting clubs whose central funding has been decimated losing even more

 

 

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6 minutes ago, RS50 said:

Monday night for the players with a Monday to Friday 9 to 5 job? Ok for say, Batley v Dewsbury, but what about Whitehaven v London?

I guess you just wouldn't televise those matches. Be hard for London to get a game on TV at home. 

I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks.

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20 minutes ago, DI Keith Fowler said:

I guess you just wouldn't televise those matches. Be hard for London to get a game on TV at home. 

We've played midweek games up there before.   I remember going to Carlisle, Whitehaven and Barrow on Wednesday nights in a six week period one year.  Granted, they're not as common as they were when the season was in winter and there were postponements but nobody whinged about it back them.

I'm pretty sure Whitehaven had games in the Premier TV days too.

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