Derwent Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 Has to be a better deal than last time or it’s not worth it. The Co-op sponsored it but as part of the deal clubs had to give 1,000 free tickets away each game. Which would be fine if it was to 1,000 new or lapsed fans but all that happened was that existing fans who would normally have paid ended up with the freebies. A lot of clubs lost money on the games getting hardly any gate income. Some clubs tried things to make it work, e.g. I recall Oldham letting everyone in for £1 at one of the TV games and got 4,000 there which sounds great but financially it’s the equivalent of 300 full paying spectators, and of course very few of those people came back and paid full price. 2 I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 2 hours ago, sweaty craiq said: Lets say Leigh are to play Fev in a sunday 3pm non televised game next season with both teams up near the top, if not a top2 fixture. Corporate would be packed ie 20 exec boxes, sponsorship would be fully taken and dining room would have 200 in generating £40-50k, one would hope dependent on time of season a 4/5k gate and local pubs and on site beer/catering doing well. Fast forward that to a monday evening and that income would conservatively drop by £40k and probably more. If we have a deal that compensates the clubs for the losses and limits games that can be shown to 1 per season at home plus 1 away by lets say £50k per club then lt works, or indeed pay £50k per game shown to the home club. If this is a fekk all deal then burn the paper its on unless its a major channel Some good points there We'd need to know how the games are chosen, and how much clout Premier would get in changing games at the last minute. I can imagine (in your example) Leigh being pretty miffed if that 'premium' match got switched to Monday after all the groundwork had been laid for the hospitality and corporate. Of course, many Championship and League 1 sides don't really have corporate and/or hospitality. If Leigh and Fev got their Sunday afternoon slot, and the Monday match was Sheffield vs Dewsbury, then I don't suppose anyone has really lost out. In fact the Leigh and Fev fans get to watch an extra game on the Monday that they wouldn't see on Sunday! AsI say, the devil will be in the detail on this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLANTISMAN Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 Just been thinking about this now over lunch and I honestly do feel that the best way forward is to have Our League with SKY showing the play offs and final. Paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 22 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said: Some good points there We'd need to know how the games are chosen, and how much clout Premier would get in changing games at the last minute. I can imagine (in your example) Leigh being pretty miffed if that 'premium' match got switched to Monday after all the groundwork had been laid for the hospitality and corporate. Of course, many Championship and League 1 sides don't really have corporate and/or hospitality. If Leigh and Fev got their Sunday afternoon slot, and the Monday match was Sheffield vs Dewsbury, then I don't suppose anyone has really lost out. In fact the Leigh and Fev fans get to watch an extra game on the Monday that they wouldn't see on Sunday! AsI say, the devil will be in the detail on this.... Last time there were Monday night fixtures (in SL) they were known well in advance and were shared out equally. Hopefully similar arrangements will Be made 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 3 hours ago, gingerjon said: All sports play when TV tells them Not exactly. Football sells specific ko times as packages. The Olympics schedule their events then sell to tv We’ve not got the profile of either of those I know. However if we’re giving away coverage for nothing it should be to suit RL. If TV is dictating the KO then appropriate compensation should be sought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 No money = no point, other than, as has been mentioned, the vanity of those making the deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 2 hours ago, Griff said: We've played midweek games up there before. I remember going to Carlisle, Whitehaven and Barrow on Wednesday nights in a six week period one year. Granted, they're not as common as they were when the season was in winter and there were postponements but nobody whinged about it back them. I'm pretty sure Whitehaven had games in the Premier TV days too. Yep Haven did play away matches on Premier They also played at London on a Wednesday in a non TV midweek game which involved some players catching the bus straight after a night shift; travelling; playing; travelling and then straight back to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 2 hours ago, Spidey said: Not exactly. Football sells specific ko times as packages. The Olympics schedule their events then sell to tv We’ve not got the profile of either of those I know. However if we’re giving away coverage for nothing it should be to suit RL. If TV is dictating the KO then appropriate compensation should be sought The Olympics swimming finals this time around were the 'wrong' way round at the behest of NBC. Monday Night Football only exists because Sky invented it. Broadly, in most circumstances, sports dance to TV's tune. 2 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnoco Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 The last time I had PS I'm fairly certain they had an offer where you could pay for 6 months for something like £50. Or was it actually a year? Either way it was pretty good value, even if you only watched the RL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 On 24/09/2021 at 17:57, Man of Kent said: Monday night rugby league could become a regular fixture as part of a new TV deal for Championship and League 1. https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/championship-league-1-tv-deal-21671692 I'd pay for any Champ/League 1 coverage that comes out as I suspect would a lot of us here The more coverage the better for me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 6 hours ago, sweaty craiq said: not when they dont pay to tell them They pay just the amount changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 2 minutes ago, bobbruce said: They pay just the amount changes. granted, I could pay staff £1 a hour just wont get staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 3 hours ago, Spidey said: Not exactly. Football sells specific ko times as packages. The Olympics schedule their events then sell to tv We’ve not got the profile of either of those I know. However if we’re giving away coverage for nothing it should be to suit RL. If TV is dictating the KO then appropriate compensation should be sought Those kick off times are in the main to suit TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 6 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said: granted, I could pay staff £1 a hour just wont get staff Exactly if clubs don’t think the deal will pay don’t accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev p Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 i agree, if the clubs are not going to make anything or even lose money over the deal, dont sign it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 31 minutes ago, kev p said: i agree, if the clubs are not going to make anything or even lose money over the deal, dont sign it! You will have some clubs with a vote who would lose nothing by staging a Mon night game - they will take anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaneCoveTiger Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 I think too many people look at the negatives. There are enough teams to spread out the Monday night games fairly. Corporate can still operate and is often popular as an after work event. If clubs know well in advance when their TV game is they can go all out to promote it and make it an event. Maybe involve local schools in the entertainment at halftime and having kids playing pregame. If clubs and make the championship look like a vibrant product on tv it will help their chance so of getting a bigger deal next time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 Schools? On a school night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clogdance Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 Just think how 'Monday night football' seemed odd when Sky introduced it to the Premier League, and it worked well. But I'm not sure if they still do it, or it's now with the championship games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaneCoveTiger Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 36 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said: Schools? On a school night? All schools have occasional evening functions for concerts, dances ect. I’m not saying get the five year olds but older kids would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 1 hour ago, LaneCoveTiger said: All schools have occasional evening functions for concerts, dances ect. I’m not saying get the five year olds but older kids would be fine. I know, just that's a usual excuse from some for not going. Anything for greater community involvement is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookey Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 The usual negativity one expects on here. Premier Sports now show both the newly revamped United Rugby Championship and the French Top 14. Both of these used to be on Sky Sports and/or BT Sport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 1 hour ago, cookey said: The usual negativity one expects on here. Premier Sports now show both the newly revamped United Rugby Championship and the French Top 14. Both of these used to be on Sky Sports and/or BT Sport. And now available to an audience much smaller. The sport has built a platform (OuRLeague), and has the infrastructure available to stream on YouTube etc, to the possibility of a much larger audience. If the money isn't there, why bother with a TV deal on a tiny channel? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whippet13 Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 7 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said: And now available to an audience much smaller. The sport has built a platform (OuRLeague), and has the infrastructure available to stream on YouTube etc, to the possibility of a much larger audience. If the money isn't there, why bother with a TV deal on a tiny channel? If the audience sizes are similar, I'd much rather pay £13pm to OurLeague than to Premier Sports, at least I know where all the profits are going. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrewxi Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 21 minutes ago, Whippet13 said: If the audience sizes are similar, I'd much rather pay £13pm to OurLeague than to Premier Sports, at least I know where all the profits are going. Ralph Rimmers suits 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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