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14 hours ago, Damien said:

I don't have any issue with signing RU players and local players. At the end of the day this is League 1 and we want to be developing new talent pools. A balance is needed for sure but Cornwall would be getting as much stick if they just signed loads of northern pros.

However what does concern me is that these players need to be there now doing a proper pre season. Waiting until the RU season is done is just a recipe for disaster when it comes to fitness and RL skills, never mind team cohesion.

I suppose one critical factor here is that we don't quite know yet just how many will come from RU clubs yet to finish their season. We heard that around 15 players are likely to be local lads, but 2 Cornish lads who have already signed have strong RL credentials and are not so on the back foot as someone that has never played league before with no pre-season (appreciate that L1 is a step up from the level they have played at). If it was 15 players with no RL credentials at all and no pre-season, then yes, I would agree that would be a difficult platform to start the L1 season with.

If Cornwall RL can get a core group of players in pre-season ASAP, then at least the bulk of the squad will have been training together and get a decent pre-season in. Remember 1st game is early April for CRLFC.

Longer-term though, it sends a very strong message to local union players that Cornwall RL is also a route to professional rugby. Prior to this, that door didn't even exist and was not at all a consideration for Cornish rugby players. This can only be a good thing for RL in general.

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This might not be a popular opinion but since there's no relegation from League 1, I don't think it necessarily matters how good Cornwall are this year on the pitch. Obviously there comes a point where they're losing too much to build supporters etc, but I think a lot of potential fans will be patient in their first season at least, especially if they can demonstrate their policy of bringing through local talent.

If I was in charge, then I would be definitely targeting a 3-5 year growth plan with the intention of making the team competitive (i.e. challenging for play-offs) within that time. Any results before that would be a bonus, but the main priority would be growing off the field and developing local players and systems to ensure they've got a good feed-through for years to come.

 

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12 hours ago, Niels said:

Good points.

The English Riviera is Torbay, which I think would be a good place to take some games to try. I asked Christian this before, I remember. 

The Torquay Athletic RU ground is right on the seafront. It's a much nicer location than Plainmoor, where Torquay United FC set up home (to be near the town's working class residents) after quitting what became the RU ground.

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10 hours ago, zylya said:

This might not be a popular opinion but since there's no relegation from League 1, I don't think it necessarily matters how good Cornwall are this year on the pitch. Obviously there comes a point where they're losing too much to build supporters etc, but I think a lot of potential fans will be patient in their first season at least, especially if they can demonstrate their policy of bringing through local talent.

If I was in charge, then I would be definitely targeting a 3-5 year growth plan with the intention of making the team competitive (i.e. challenging for play-offs) within that time. Any results before that would be a bonus, but the main priority would be growing off the field and developing local players and systems to ensure they've got a good feed-through for years to come.

 

From a fan's POV, Years 1/2 you just want to see that players, coaches , owners are commited to getting the club established and you're not wasting your money coming back next week.

Years 2/3 you want to competitive with the other teams not in the play-off mix and maybe getting your first win against one of them.

Years 3/4 you want to be winning all your home games against them and maybe one away.

Years 4/5 you want to believe that the first win against a 'heartlands' teams is round the corner.

Year 5/6 you hope it happens and you can now think about fighting for a play-off place.

Starting from scratch in League 1 is tough - as West Wales have found - but the club will get support if the fans can see that there is something worth getting behind. 

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Yorks Tim said:

From a fan's POV, Years 1/2 you just want to see that players, coaches , owners are commited to getting the club established and you're not wasting your money coming back next week.

Years 2/3 you want to competitive with the other teams not in the play-off mix and maybe getting your first win against one of them.

Years 3/4 you want to be winning all your home games against them and maybe one away.

Years 4/5 you want to believe that the first win against a 'heartlands' teams is round the corner.

Year 5/6 you hope it happens and you can now think about fighting for a play-off place.

Starting from scratch in League 1 is tough - as West Wales have found - but the club will get support if the fans can see that there is something worth getting behind. 

 

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more. Fans are realistic, as long as the effort is there and they can see progress then they'll be relatively happy and will support the team. It'll be a steep learning curve but a consistent squad showing progress will be key to fan engagement 

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3 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:

Couldn't agree more. Fans are realistic, as long as the effort is there and they can see progress then they'll be relatively happy and will support the team. It'll be a steep learning curve but a consistent squad showing progress will be key to fan engagement 

Absolutely agree with you and Yorks Tim that this is the right approach, just feel that some people's worries that they might not have a strong squad this year may be overestimating how good their squad needs to be this year - so they might have a lot of local players who aren't up to League 1 standard, but that doesn't mean it's curtains for them so early in their life.

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13 hours ago, Hopping Mad said:

The Torquay Athletic RU ground is right on the seafront. It's a much nicer location than Plainmoor, where Torquay United FC set up home (to be near the town's working class residents) after quitting what became the RU ground.

I didn't realise that, it is next to the Grand Hotel.

I don't know what your thoughts are about expansion? 

For me it depends on the club and location. For example I would have an interest in any club at Torquay. So if Cornwall did play any games there it would become very interested in them.

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Why would Cornwall play in Torquay, it’s over 100 miles and a couple of hours away from Falmouth.  No one has suggested, for example, West Wales play in Swindon or Barrow play in Widnes or Leeds play in Leicester. Surely better to build presence and fan base in their local area?

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2 hours ago, Sitona said:

Why would Cornwall play in Torquay, it’s over 100 miles and a couple of hours away from Falmouth.  No one has suggested, for example, West Wales play in Swindon or Barrow play in Widnes or Leeds play in Leicester. Surely better to build presence and fan base in their local area?

It is also in Devon so I don't imagine any team called Cornwall would be too appealing to the locals in Torquay anyway.

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3 hours ago, Sitona said:

Why would Cornwall play in Torquay, it’s over 100 miles and a couple of hours away from Falmouth.  No one has suggested, for example, West Wales play in Swindon or Barrow play in Widnes or Leeds play in Leicester. Surely better to build presence and fan base in their local area?

Indeed. If they thought Torquay was the right place then that should have been their permanent base and they should have been called Devon.  As is they've chosen to Cornwall and that should be their focus.

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23 hours ago, Hopping Mad said:

The Torquay Athletic RU ground is right on the seafront. It's a much nicer location than Plainmoor, where Torquay United FC set up home (to be near the town's working class residents) after quitting what became the RU ground.

The ground in Penzance is even nicer! And, in Cornwall perspective, a lot nearer.

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6 hours ago, Sitona said:

Why would Cornwall play in Torquay, it’s over 100 miles and a couple of hours away from Falmouth.  No one has suggested, for example, West Wales play in Swindon or Barrow play in Widnes or Leeds play in Leicester. Surely better to build presence and fan base in their local area?

Difficult to understand the distances between these areas unless you've actual been down there and traveled between them.

I always think I'm almost there when I get to Exeter when in reality I'm possibly not even half way time wise. 

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14 hours ago, Niels said:

I didn't realise that, it is next to the Grand Hotel.

I don't know what your thoughts are about expansion? 

For me it depends on the club and location. For example I would have an interest in any club at Torquay. So if Cornwall did play any games there it would become very interested in them.

I'm all for expansion (despite its less than successful history in Britain).

As others have said, the distances - and awful roads - are a major stumbling block in the West Country, should Cornwall RLFC decide to play a game in Devon.

I lived and worked in Exeter for a while, in the late 1990s (and the traffic's got much worse since), so experienced it first hand. In summer, of course, when the bulk of the visitors are present, travelling by car is particularly time-consuming.

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22 hours ago, Yorks Tim said:

From a fan's POV, Years 1/2 you just want to see that players, coaches , owners are commited to getting the club established and you're not wasting your money coming back next week.

Years 2/3 you want to competitive with the other teams not in the play-off mix and maybe getting your first win against one of them.

Years 3/4 you want to be winning all your home games against them and maybe one away.

Years 4/5 you want to believe that the first win against a 'heartlands' teams is round the corner.

Year 5/6 you hope it happens and you can now think about fighting for a play-off place.

Starting from scratch in League 1 is tough - as West Wales have found - but the club will get support if the fans can see that there is something worth getting behind. 

 

 

 

 

I'd actually disagree with this - unless you're really sure that there are enough people out there crying out to watch rugby league, you need a winning team. It was a much easier sell to get people to come and watch the team that they kept reading about winning on the back page of the Oxford Mail (in the first season). 

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Im still absolutely baffled with this choice of new club (from Eric Perez).

Eric Perez's vision and 'why' motivation factor was to expand clubs in Canada and N America. Realising with the pandemic that's just too difficult in a transatlantic sense, how did he come up with Cornwall as a location?

I hope it does well, genuinely. 

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23 minutes ago, The British Lion said:

Im still absolutely baffled with this choice of new club (from Eric Perez).

Eric Perez's vision and 'why' motivation factor was to expand clubs in Canada and N America. Realising with the pandemic that's just too difficult in a transatlantic sense, how did he come up with Cornwall as a location?

I hope it does well, genuinely. 

My conspiracy theory - and it has been hinted at on here elsewhere - is that he has been approached/ saw an opening to get involved with the proposed new Cornwall Stadium. 

Wearing a non-conspiracy hat then it could be seen as another area with no other competitors (I’d have liked to have seen Bristol but you have football and RU there).

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14 hours ago, theswanmcr said:

My conspiracy theory - and it has been hinted at on here elsewhere - is that he has been approached/ saw an opening to get involved with the proposed new Cornwall Stadium. 

Wearing a non-conspiracy hat then it could be seen as another area with no other competitors (I’d have liked to have seen Bristol but you have football and RU there).

Perhapsthe question to be asked, as per your non-conspiracy hat, is why there are no other competitors?  

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14 hours ago, theswanmcr said:

My conspiracy theory - and it has been hinted at on here elsewhere - is that he has been approached/ saw an opening to get involved with the proposed new Cornwall Stadium. 

Wearing a non-conspiracy hat then it could be seen as another area with no other competitors (I’d have liked to have seen Bristol but you have football and RU there).

From my knowledge on the ground here, the stadium project is a nice coincidence.

It is mutually beneficial at the moment as an opportunity to raise funding ("we have another professional sports team that will/may play in it") and it may well help Cornwall RL in the future if it secures that funding. But it doesn't determine the short-term success of the club.

The Memorial Ground holds several thousand spectators. That is more than adequate at the moment for Cornwall RL.

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Why do people say they want the Cornwall team to play games in Devon? Devon and Cornwall are different places, it’s like saying you want London Skolars to play some home games in Cromer. 

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16 hours ago, Eddie said:

Why do people say they want the Cornwall team to play games in Devon? Devon and Cornwall are different places, it’s like saying you want London Skolars to play some home games in Cromer. 

Well, there are at least two amateur rugby league clubs in Devon. I guess an 'on the road' game there wouldn't do any harm. But, essentially, as you allude, Cornwall RLFC have a big enough job, at least initially, laying down roots in and attracting support from the Falmouth (and wider) area.

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45 minutes ago, Hopping Mad said:

Well, there are at least two amateur rugby league clubs in Devon. I guess an 'on the road' game there wouldn't do any harm. But, essentially, as you allude, Cornwall RLFC have a big enough job, at least initially, laying down roots in and attracting support from the Falmouth (and wider) area.

Exactly, if they’re trying to attract support in that part of Cornwall playing games in Devon won’t help. 

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2 hours ago, Hopping Mad said:

Well, there are at least two amateur rugby league clubs in Devon. I guess an 'on the road' game there wouldn't do any harm. But, essentially, as you allude, Cornwall RLFC have a big enough job, at least initially, laying down roots in and attracting support from the Falmouth (and wider) area.

Something like an "on the road" game in Devon would be a complete distraction, for what long-term gain? No one is going to travel down from Torquay/Devon on a regular basis for matches, it's a four hour round trip.

As much effort as possible needs to be focused in mid-Cornwall before an ounce is put into taking a match to a location 2hrs up the A30/A38. Even then, you have to question the long term aims of doing something like that for a one-off match.

Driving demand closer to home is a challenge enough to start with.

 

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Another signing:

Former Wigan reserves full-back or stand-off Joe Purcell has become the latest signing for new League 1 club Cornwall.

Purcell, 22, hails from Widnes, spending time with the Vikings’ development squad, and played his amateur rugby with Halton Hornets.

He said: “I’m over the moon and I can’t wait for the adventure. It is a whole new club, starting from the bottom and I can’t wait to be part of the journey.  

“The lifestyle in Cornwall looks amazing. I’m buzzing to be moving down here with my girlfriend and start a new life, get cracked into this rugby and spread the word in Cornwall. 

“I saw the trial advertised and I saw it as the perfect opportunity. I travelled down for six hours with my dad for the trial, did the trial and fortunately I was offered a contract.”

Purcell played for Wigan’s reserve and academy sides before returning to the community game during the COVID pandemic.

Former Wigan and Widnes youngster heads to Cornwall (loverugbyleague.com)

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