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On 23/02/2022 at 07:33, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

So no Salford will not own Moor Lane they will be renting. Salford are not going to take out a 15 year lease on Moor Lane and develop the ground. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

Well this is what I said on the Moor Lane thread having just left the Fans' Forum led by our Managing Director Paul King:

"Due diligence suggests v feasible/affordable. Discussions ongoing with architects/construction sector about increasing capacity to between 6.5k and 8k (can build up, not out) subject to planning permission (PP not expected to be major obstacle, more dependent on what we are quoted for the work)."

Is he deluded? 

On 23/02/2022 at 08:58, Tommygilf said:

Fair enough.

I think you are misreading his point though. He is saying that Salford are unlikely to spend significant sums to renovate the ground if they only have a 15 Year Lease.

I have no idea where any confirmation of a 15 year lease has come from, it certainly wasn't me. 

Again, from the Moor Lane thread shortly after the Fans' Forum:

"Effectively yes (Salford would own the ground) as it would be a long term leasehold (as Salford City have now) between 21 and 100 years with full control over the stadium's commerciality"

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On 23/02/2022 at 10:53, theswanmcr said:

Good point on corporates - we always played Friday nights at Willows for this. Of course the AJ Bell is good for these facilities and Ray C may have more idea on hospitality revenues

AFAIK Salford receive nothing from food and beverage/hospitality on top of the price of the match ticket as it is the stadium management company who control hospitality

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2 hours ago, Ray Cashmere said:

AFAIK Salford receive nothing from food and beverage/hospitality on top of the price of the match ticket as it is the stadium management company who control hospitality

Thanks Ray. I did wonder if that might be the case - and that really is rubbish all round.

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2 hours ago, Ray Cashmere said:

Well this is what I said on the Moor Lane thread having just left the Fans' Forum led by our Managing Director Paul King:

"Due diligence suggests v feasible/affordable. Discussions ongoing with architects/construction sector about increasing capacity to between 6.5k and 8k (can build up, not out) subject to planning permission (PP not expected to be major obstacle, more dependent on what we are quoted for the work)."

Is he deluded? 

I have no idea where any confirmation of a 15 year lease has come from, it certainly wasn't me. 

Again, from the Moor Lane thread shortly after the Fans' Forum:

"Effectively yes (Salford would own the ground) as it would be a long term leasehold (as Salford City have now) between 21 and 100 years with full control over the stadium's commerciality"

They would not effectively own the ground, they wouldn’t own the ground at all, they would have a lease for the ground as all renters do, Salford will be renting the ground, hence me saying they are not going to spend millions on its development, just as someone renting a house doesn’t pay to build an extension. 

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55 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

They would not effectively own the ground, they wouldn’t own the ground at all, they would have a lease for the ground as all renters do, Salford will be renting the ground, hence me saying they are not going to spend millions on its development, just as someone renting a house doesn’t pay to build an extension. 

People don’t usually rent the same house for 25 years though. 

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2 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Has any club in the history of any sport ever paid for a ground to be developed/expanded when they do not own the ground? 

Yes. It's happened surprisingly often. To give one obvious example, Moor Lane Salford. Odsal Stadium is another.

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5 hours ago, EggFace said:

Why don't councils support sports teams and do what's best but I suppose my all the people who I know are high up in Council jobs are complete wits.

Didn’t Salford council invest heavily in the AJ Bell Stadium? At the end of the day the club still needs to pay rent to recoup that money, they can’t just spend council tax payers money to run the club be it Salford or any other club. Salford are opting to move out to move to an inferior cheaper rented stadium. 

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6 hours ago, EggFace said:

Why don't councils support sports teams and do what's best but I suppose my all the people who I know are high up in Council jobs are complete wits.

I think you’re barking up the wrong tree if you think Salford have had a lack of financial support from their local council. 

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6 hours ago, EggFace said:

Why don't councils support sports teams and do what's best but I suppose my all the people who I know are high up in Council jobs are complete wits.

Councils do very much support sports teams - often historically propping up clubs/stadiums, when they wouldn’t for other industries, as they are seen as a source of civic pride.

Fact is councils have had an average 40% reduction in government settlement in the last decade which is billions of pounds reduction. They no longer have funds, unlike say the French regional gives, for any direct financial input.

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1 hour ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Didn’t Salford council invest heavily in the AJ Bell Stadium? At the end of the day the club still needs to pay rent to recoup that money, they can’t just spend council tax payers money to run the club be it Salford or any other club. Salford are opting to move out to move to an inferior cheaper rented stadium. 

Go on then I’ll bite…

Salford are not opting to move out - we cannot pay the agreed rent. And We have heard you bang on about Moor Lane being a rented stadium many times.
 

We are where we are. What would you do now if you were the Salford chairman?

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8 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

In 25 years time, they'll bump up the rent to match the expansion.

Without wishing to go into detail, it is a standard part of a commercial property contract for improvements/alterations to a premises to be disregarded in any rent review.

Besides, the landlord will be Salford City Council, just as it is now for Salford City FC. It would not be a comparable  landlord/tenant relationship to Hull, Wigan or Salford @ AJ Bell.

15 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

They would not effectively own the ground

 

15 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

just as someone renting a house doesn’t pay to build an extension.

We would 'effectively' own the ground, it wouldn't be like someone renting a house. 

Commercial property is not residential property. Given your Super League score predictions have proven more accurate than your understanding of commercial property law I'd suggest not taking this further. 

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4 hours ago, Ray Cashmere said:

Without wishing to go into detail, it is a standard part of a commercial property contract for improvements/alterations to a premises to be disregarded in any rent review.

Besides, the landlord will be Salford City Council, just as it is now for Salford City FC. It would not be a comparable  landlord/tenant relationship to Hull, Wigan or Salford @ AJ Bell.

 

We would 'effectively' own the ground, it wouldn't be like someone renting a house. 

Commercial property is not residential property. Given your Super League score predictions have proven more accurate than your understanding of commercial property law I'd suggest not taking this further. 

You can repeat it as many times as you like, it will still not make it true. Salford will not effectively own Moor Lane if they are to move there. 

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11 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Given where it was played that wouldn’t surprise me at all, it’s over an hour from Colwyn Bay. 

Yes, and being a Cup match, there wasn't really much time to promote it either. 

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10 hours ago, Eddie said:

10,361 at St Helens last night, not bad. Anyone know HKR’s? 

I thought it was an excellent crowd with around 150/200 Wakey fans who made the trip. I only turned up at my usual spec at about 7.50pm only to find it was packed with Commodores who i have never seen before. You get to know people who stand or sit were you always go, but some of these were new faces. I’m not going to complain though the more people that turn up the better.
I would still go back to a 7.45pm KO, i think the Saints game finished at 9.50pm and a mate who usually brings his little girl said he has stopped bringing her with the KO being later. I don’t know if Saints mentioned anything about why they had gone back to 8pm, ive not seen anything. 

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