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We have seen with whitehaven and barrow that home advantage is a tremendously positive thing

Lets introduce this permanantly to the challenge cup even at semi final stage

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43 minutes ago, The storm said:

We have seen with whitehaven and barrow that home advantage is a tremendously positive thing

Lets introduce this permanantly to the challenge cup even at semi final stage

I'd say not semi finals as it would take away from trying to sell big neutral venues. But other than that, I like the idea that League 1/Championship teams are guaranteed home advantage in a game against a team in a higher league. 

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Just now, Saint 1 said:

I'd say not semi finals as it would take away from trying to sell big neutral venues. But other than that, I like the idea that League 1/Championship teams are guaranteed home advantage in a game against a team in a higher league. 

I agree.  I think I am right in saying that this is a practice which has traditionally been a feature of La Coupe de France Lord Derby

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The opening round of the DFB Pokal, the German FA Cup, where even giants like Bayern Munich are in the hat, has the first round seeded so that the lower ranked sides are drawn at home. There’s some big scorelines sometimes but that’s not something they’re afraid of. 

It works quite well there and I can see calls for Super League clubs being drawn away in their first fixture in the competition but that doesn’t really solve the ongoing issue of attendances, once the lower league clubs are out, the same problems with attendances will continue. 

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59 minutes ago, The storm said:

We have seen with whitehaven and barrow that home advantage is a tremendously positive thing

Lets introduce this permanantly to the challenge cup even at semi final stage

Absolutely not - why do people keep coming up with these stupid gimmicks that give preference to one team over another.

Its like the people on here calling for protection for french team from relegation just because they're french, or calling for protection from relegation for any newly promoted team just because they're new to that league.

What the hell is wrong with just playing under 1 set of rules thats the same for every team instead of artificially manipulating things.

If you drawn out of the bag first you get the home tie - simple, same for everybody !!

If you finish bottom of the league, you get relegated - simple, same for everybody !!

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21 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Absolutely not - why do people keep coming up with these stupid gimmicks that give preference to one team over another.

Like delaying a club's entry into the main draw until the Round of 16?

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I'm not a big fan of this as I think you would soon lose the novelty this is set up to produce. The Whitehaven and Barrow games were good precisely because they don't happen very often.

I'd be much more warmly disposed towards the SL clubs entering a round earlier: risks the same issue but feels less forced.

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I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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3 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

I'm not a big fan of this as I think you would soon lose the novelty this is set up to produce. The Whitehaven and Barrow games were good precisely because they don't happen very often.

I'd be much more warmly disposed towards the SL clubs entering a round earlier: risks the same issue but feels less forced.

This is the thing, I think the novelty would wear off knowing that each year you were guaranteed an away game at a lower league club. 

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Fully agree. The gulf between SL and lower Leagues is arguably getting wider and so guarenteed home advantage would help re-balance. One of finest away Challenge Cup games was Wigan away to Barrow . It was a fantastic atmosphere and a relatively close game until late on.

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1 hour ago, Just Browny said:

I'm not a big fan of this as I think you would soon lose the novelty this is set up to produce. The Whitehaven and Barrow games were good precisely because they don't happen very often.

I'd be much more warmly disposed towards the SL clubs entering a round earlier: risks the same issue but feels less forced.

I agree, i'd rather the SL teams enter at the last 32 stage not the last 16 stage and then lose one of the rounds of 'loop' fixtures or change the play-off's format to have 1 less round of games (maybe league leaders go straight into the GF with 2 & 3 play-off only for the other spot).

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1 hour ago, Just Browny said:

I'm not a big fan of this as I think you would soon lose the novelty this is set up to produce. The Whitehaven and Barrow games were good precisely because they don't happen very often.

I'd be much more warmly disposed towards the SL clubs entering a round earlier: risks the same issue but feels less forced.

 

1 hour ago, Jughead said:

This is the thing, I think the novelty would wear off knowing that each year you were guaranteed an away game at a lower league club. 

Completely agree with both points.

 

*puts tin hat on*

I'd apply the same logic to the forced drama of a Grand Final artificially taking a title race to the final day rather than letting it happen organically, but that's another topic for another time!

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2 hours ago, Just Browny said:

I'm not a big fan of this as I think you would soon lose the novelty this is set up to produce. The Whitehaven and Barrow games were good precisely because they don't happen very often.

I'd be much more warmly disposed towards the SL clubs entering a round earlier: risks the same issue but feels less forced.

I think that if you didn't change the drawing system (beyond SL clubs entering a round earlier), you'd have no more of these match ups than currently. They would just all be away to the lower league club. I think lots of fans would be inclined to go to one CC game a year if it was generally away at a different lower league club each time because each time there's that bit of novelty in terms of venue or location. Does 1000 Saints fans at Whitehaven yesterday mean that fewer people are inclined to go watch say Newcastle Thunder Vs Saints in 2023? I don't think so.

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Just go the whole hog.

Have the team drawn - who came lowest in the previous season - always home first. from SL downwards.

Rationale would make it more competitive and would ensure inclusivity for all clubs in this competition. 

Have all gate receipts divided equally.

So Cas v say Saints would at Wheeldon Road and so on.

I would still have SL clubs entered at the last 16.

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14 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Could this still allow for all SL games to be drawn?

Yes, I think the poster's logic would be SL clubs coming in a round earlier so there would be more SL v Champ/L1 games but also the possibility of a SLvSL clash. If home and away club are from same division then draw stands.

Suppose this could also work for London Skolars drawing Bradford too?

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8 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Yes, I think the poster's logic would be SL clubs coming in a round earlier so there would be more SL v Champ/L1 games but also the possibility of a SLvSL clash. If home and away club are from same division then draw stands.

Suppose this could also work for London Skolars drawing Bradford too?

I see. So any Super League team drawn first would be made the away team. Not sure how or why to do that with lower division clubs anyway.

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35 minutes ago, idrewthehaggis said:

Just go the whole hog.

Have the team drawn - who came lowest in the previous season - always home first. from SL downwards.

Rationale would make it more competitive and would ensure inclusivity for all clubs in this competition. 

Have all gate receipts divided equally.

So Cas v say Saints would at Wheeldon Road and so on.

I would still have SL clubs entered at the last 16.

🤣 seen it all now - Congratulations, surely nobody can come up with a more stupid idea than this one (although with Rimmer in charge there's always a slight chance).

Why the hell would you want any sort of system that penalises a team for playing well and having a good season and rewards a team for playing poorly and having a bad season ???

BTW Gate receipts are already divided in the CC. The RFL take the money and divide it up between the teams playing. The only financial advantage for the home team is in-ground takings such as bar, food etc. (unless your rent boys like certain clubs wherin the landlord takes all those takings)

  

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4 hours ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said:

I agree.  I think I am right in saying that this is a practice which has traditionally been a feature of La Coupe de France Lord Derby

Yes they do this in France up to the semi finals, 

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"Rent boys." Lovely turn of phrase Saint.

 

My own vaguely sarcastic post was lost on you, as perhaps so is the rest of the modern era I fear.

The cup does not need such gimmicks, it needs excitement created by a greater diversity of winners, And it needs higher attendances that would come from that.

But hey go ahead.

 

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Given the antipathy to the way SL clubs are advantaged, why not turn the whole thing upside down. Make the preliminary rounds for SuperLeague only, until only one is left. Then have the Cup proper, with all other clubs in, plus the one surviving SuperLeague club, with the final on the Red Rec with live coverage on Coronation Street and Emmerdale?😮🙂😀

 

Alternatively, why not just leave it alone for a few years to see the effect that the enhanced promotion and coverage the Cup is getting across the BBC.

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