Why can't the video referee just control the video himself?

[YCKonstantine]

Surely it would be easier than him having to talk to someone through the TV..

"Yeah, can you just go back to that first angle, think that's the best one"

*shows two new angles that don't help whatsoever"

"Can you just play it really slowly so I can check the grounding"

*play at full speed*

[doc]

Stop being sensible.

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

What??? The broadcasting union would have a fit. They'd be out faster than a Wigan fan with ten minutes to go!!!!! They wouldn't let it happen, more than their jobs worth.

[EastLondonMike]

2 hours ago, YCKonstantine said:

Surely it would be easier than him having to talk to someone through the TV..

"Yeah, can you just go back to that first angle, think that's the best one"

*shows two new angles that don't help whatsoever"

"Can you just play it really slowly so I can check the grounding"

*play at full speed*

Glad i wasn't the only one who found this really annoying. Kudos to the video refs for not shouting "how many times?.. I said play the first f****ng angle for f***s sake!"

[Just Browny]

They don't have to control it directly, I suppose it would just make sense if the Video Ref and match director were sitting next to each other. I suppose the idea is we can hear the process rather than silence, but it is frustrating when they are clearly miscommunicating.

[YCKonstantine]

10 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

They don't have to control it directly, I suppose it would just make sense if the Video Ref and match director were sitting next to each other. I suppose the idea is we can hear the process rather than silence, but it is frustrating when they are clearly miscommunicating.

There's nothing stopping him from talking through his thinking without having to mess about getting someone else to show the angles he wants.

[Just Browny]

2 minutes ago, YCKonstantine said:

There's nothing stopping him from talking through his thinking without having to mess about getting someone else to show the angles he wants.

Sure but I think showing the replays/footage and this being televised is actually a skilled job, it's not just like you rewinding your Sky+ with your wife watching on.

"Oh s*** I was rewinding on quadruple speed. Oh no it's gone back to the start of the match now."

[dkw]

To be fair i doubt its an easy thing to do, there will be a load of camera angles to sift though, queue up the replays, handle the slo mo stuff, all from things that have happened seconds ago.. Its not like watching youtube on your tablet, these will all be done via a mixing desk thingy mi bobs.

Edited October 17, 2022 by dkw

[gingerjon]

*video ref has sudden panic about whether he's sharing his feed of the match or his incognito window*

[Desert Skipper]

5 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

*video ref has sudden panic about whether he's sharing his feed of the match or his incognito window*

Not because he’s looking at pornography, but because he’s anonymously asking google “what part of the body needs to be touching the ball for a try”.

[hunsletgreenandgold]

It's an awful process that i'll file under exhibit #35279 in my amateurish RL dossier. 

[nadera78]

I like the idea that the BBC, or any other broadcaster, would allow some untrained RL ref to operate their output. When I worked at the old BBC TV Centre very few people were even able to access the actual broadcast area, and without the appropriate clearance you actually had to be let in by someone already on the inside.

The problem at a couple of games was quite obviously that so many fixtures over the weekend has required the use of tv directors with little or no experience of RL and who therefore don't quite understand what the video ref needs.

[Barry Badrinath]

i've complained about this for ages, you would expect the refs and the TV companies to get together, discuss the protocol and have the cameras named

Corner 1/2/3/4

sideline A/B

 

Behind the sticks.

and be clear about what he wants, cos at the moment, despite the poor communication/response, you're relying on the direct/producer paying attention to the game and thinking. "oh, that other one might be good" when asked by the ref, do we have any other angles.

Thats not a great question in itself.

i mentioned on here, previously, is one of my bug bears is seeing a video ref, looking at the same two angles, then giving a decision, and then sky showing a completely different angle during the kick that shows the opposite is true eg the ball didn't get down, or a foot in touch.

 

Also there was an incident in a game last year where the VR was all set on giving a no try, and miraculously the sky director started showing an angle from one of the corner cams from the other end of the pitch, that they would never EVER use.

 

All the variables need ironing out, and should have been by now, its been used for nearly 30 years.

[Sports Prophet]

The secret is to ensure the video referee has all available angles playing at the same speed at the same time.

[north yorks trinity]

1 hour ago, Desert Skipper said:

Not because he’s looking at pornography, but because he’s anonymously asking google “what part of the body needs to be touching the ball for a try”.

Although TBF that question in Google will almost certainly find pornography.

[DavidM]

Hello match director this is the video referee 

Who ?

The video referee 

What do you want ?

Please may I see the slow motion angle from camera 7 

No 

Thankyou , I’ve made my decision 

[Derwent]

I think sometimes they must be watching it on a 22” black and white Grundig that they found in the back of a cupboard when clearing out Red Hall.

[SalfordSlim]

2 hours ago, dkw said:

To be fair i doubt its an easy thing to do, there will be a load of camera angles to sift though, queue up the replays, handle the slo mo stuff, all from things that have happened seconds ago.. Its not like watching youtube on your tablet, these will all be done via a mixing desk thingy mi bobs.

Nah I'm not buying that. I was watching a bit of Yawnion (I think) the other day (may have been the England women's match) and there was a decision referred to the video ref. They showed the VR and his assistant in the booth and then twiddled a couple of knobs (oo er matron), played the incident back a couple of times, and then made their decision in barely 30 seconds. Piece of wee wee. I mean, if the likes of Jon Wells, Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher can play around with technology when analysing a match then it obvs ain't rocket science.

[Wiltshire Warrior Dragon]

1 hour ago, north yorks trinity said:

Although TBF that question in Google will almost certainly find pornography.

You're quite right, NYT, it does....now, where was I when I left this forum thread?

[DI Keith Fowler]

I don't think it's beyond the wits of man. They could have a touch screen setup with all the feeds and simple controls. It could even be on an ipad and set to tiktok songs, it will attract gen z to refereeing.