IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Harry Stottle]

19 hours ago, gingerjon said:

We had unbalanced Championship funding for a long time. It didn’t work. 

Technically Ginger it was prize money awarded in a sliding scale from Top to Bottom in the league placings.

[gingerjon]

8 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Technically Ginger it was prize money awarded in a sliding scale from Top to Bottom in the league placings.

There was more to it than that, I believe. I’m sure it was detailed on here that there were bonuses for things like how many supporters had signed up to Our League etc.

[Worzel]

3 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

But just like with Wakefield, circumstances change, Bradford and Oldham now have money men who legitimatley could put a team on the field to win promotion on the field. 

I know you say all those teams now have a better chance of promotion now than they would under P & R but how do you come to that conclusion? As a Fax fan I could be a billionaire and could not get Fax in to SL under the IMG gradings while playing at the Shay. Now throw in P & R and there is a good chance I get them in next season. As above circumstances change and like musical chairs its all about who is sitting in the chairs when the music stops. Fax, Fev, and Sheffield just so happened to win the competition when there was no P & R, who is to say where any of them would be now if things were different. 

Your circumstances haven’t changed in 20 years. We can’t develop a strategic plan for the sport based on “we must leave a mechanism open for in case Halifax suddenly get a random wealthy owner”. That’s not a strategy, it’s a daydream. 

We start from the position we’re in now. It’s the place we are. That’s not “who happened to have chairs when the music stops”, it’s just life.

Your approach reminds me of the time I was in Dublin, and running really late for a flight. I managed to get a taxi to stop, and asked the driver could he get me to the airport in 20 minutes? “Yes” he said, “but I wouldn’t start from here”

[Worzel]

16 hours ago, DEANO said:

loll. If you say so. At least they had something to strive for

Loads of clubs had something to strive for for decades. But they never got to Super League under P&R. Were all those years of sport, all those entertaining matches, all those great days out as fans all meaningless?

My club was in the lower leagues for most of my adult life. For the overwhelming majority of that time, we had no chance at all of being promoted. None at all. I still had a season ticket, I still enjoyed my rugby. I went to Super League matches as well, Cup Finals, Great Britain and later England rugby internationals. I travelled down under and watched the NRL. I saw brilliant Grand Finals on Sky, hell I even celebrated when Paul Cooke went over in Cardiff and won the cup for Hull FC in the last minute.

It’s the sport I love, and the sport I want to succeed. This whole discussion about whether Hull KR would or wouldn’t be in Super League is a massive red herring. That isn’t my criteria for assessing the new strategy. I don’t want a winning Hull KR in a failing, eventually part time, sport. I want rugby league to grow, to watch England beat the Aussies, and British teams to compete with NRL ones consistently. I want more people to play and watch my favourite sport.

Rugby league in England has been held back for decades by people worrying too much about the impact of decisions on each individual club, whoever that is. We need to focus on the elite league as a collective. 

[The Blues Ox]

20 hours ago, Worzel said:

Your circumstances haven’t changed in 20 years. We can’t develop a strategic plan for the sport based on “we must leave a mechanism open for in case Halifax suddenly get a random wealthy owner”. That’s not a strategy, it’s a daydream. 

We start from the position we’re in now. It’s the place we are. That’s not “who happened to have chairs when the music stops”, it’s just life.

Your approach reminds me of the time I was in Dublin, and running really late for a flight. I managed to get a taxi to stop, and asked the driver could he get me to the airport in 20 minutes? “Yes” he said, “but I wouldn’t start from here”

Whooooooosh.

[Worzel]

32 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Whooooooosh.

I addressed your point directly.

Regardless, as my later post says, the interests of one particular club - whether yours or mine - shouldn't be the primary concern of a Super League growth strategy. What's the point of having Halifax in a part-time Super League watched by less people, and barely televised? We've already got a comp like that, you're in it. 

We need to focus on what is the best way to grow our one professional league, not what is "fair" for any individual club. 

[Barley Mow]

Has anyone heard how many points Batley and Whitehaven scored?

When the grades were released we were told that the information they returned to RLC was incomplete and that they would get a score later.

Batley subsequently said they have their score (and it's lower than they'd hoped) but I haven't seen either club or RLC make any announcement of where these clubs stand.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

3 hours ago, Barley Mow said:

Has anyone heard how many points Batley and Whitehaven scored?

When the grades were released we were told that the information they returned to RLC was incomplete and that they would get a score later.

Batley subsequently said they have their score (and it's lower than they'd hoped) but I haven't seen either club or RLC make any announcement of where these clubs stand.

Not seen them posted anywhere although it's suggested on the Batley forum that their score was in the 'C' category range.

[shaw llewellyn]

Whilst it is interesting to see the points all clubs have scored, unless a club seriously feels that a few tweaks off the field can get them into the top 12 then at the moment it is an irrelevance.

Batley, Whitehaven and most other clubs in the championship and league 1 don't fall into that category. 

Let's just play rugby.

[Barley Mow]

33 minutes ago, shaw llewellyn said:

Whilst it is interesting to see the points all clubs have scored, unless a club seriously feels that a few tweaks off the field can get them into the top 12 then at the moment it is an irrelevance.

Batley, Whitehaven and most other clubs in the championship and league 1 don't fall into that category. 

Let's just play rugby.

The amount of central funding awarded to teams in Championship and League 1 varies depending on their place in the IMG league table.

Batley's score will impact their funding, and other clubs in the Championship. Haven's will impact theirs and others in L1.

Edited December 16, 2024 by Barley Mow

[shaw llewellyn]

1 hour ago, Barley Mow said:

The amount of central funding awarded to teams in Championship and League 1 varies depending on their place in the IMG league table.

Batley's score will impact their funding, and other clubs in the Championship. Haven's will impact theirs and others in L1.

Fair point.

[Exiled Wiganer]

On 16/12/2024 at 15:10, shaw llewellyn said:

Whilst it is interesting to see the points all clubs have scored, unless a club seriously feels that a few tweaks off the field can get them into the top 12 then at the moment it is an irrelevance.

Batley, Whitehaven and most other clubs in the championship and league 1 don't fall into that category. 

Let's just play rugby.

If a club is able to afford a full time professional team then that would make them a better option than one of the 12 carefully assessed by IMG. 

[marklaspalmas]

How did this thread drop off the front page?

With so many hot new takes on IMGs involvement (See the thread "My club has finally done something because we have a sugar daddy. IMG works!" thread), I thought this thread'd be buzzing. 

[Click]

1 hour ago, marklaspalmas said:

How did this thread drop off the front page?

With so many hot new takes on IMGs involvement (See the thread "My club has finally done something because we have a sugar daddy. IMG works!" thread), I thought this thread'd be buzzing. 

I guess you missed the 7 page thread titled "IMG, it might be working?"

[marklaspalmas]

24 minutes ago, Click said:

I guess you missed the 7 page thread titled "IMG, it might be working?"

Errrr.... "whoosh", as they say?

[Damien]

26 minutes ago, Click said:

I guess you missed the 7 page thread titled "IMG, it might be working?"

The mods seem to have done too

[Hopie]

We will be back on top once the other thread gets locked for libel.

[Angelic Cynic]

On 15/12/2024 at 11:44, Worzel said:

I addressed your point directly.

Regardless, as my later post says, the interests of one particular club - whether yours or mine - shouldn't be the primary concern of a Super League growth strategy. What's the point of having Halifax in a part-time Super League watched by less people, and barely televised? We've already got a comp like that, you're in it. 

We need to focus on what is the best way to grow our one professional league, not what is "fair" for any individual club. 

Super League Growth Strategy?  Has it started yet?  Two Elite clubs granted a B grading haven't grown very much.

One required finance and another wants to move away from a soccer stadium, and all their well won points, to a Championship club,lacking a decent stadium. Do the two clubs not lose points on their grading now?

Perhaps the strategy is the clubs,by their own efforts,playing the game abroad.

[The Blues Ox]

19 hours ago, Angelic Cynic said:

Super League Growth Strategy?  Has it started yet?  Two Elite clubs granted a B grading haven't grown very much.

One required finance and another wants to move away from a soccer stadium, and all their well won points, to a Championship club,lacking a decent stadium. Do the two clubs not lose points on their grading now?

Perhaps the strategy is the clubs,by their own efforts,playing the game abroad.

Huddersfield would take a hit to their gradings if they were to move to the Shay.

[JohnM]

On 02/01/2025 at 16:21, Angelic Cynic said:

Super League Growth Strategy?  Has it started yet?  Two Elite clubs granted a B grading haven't grown very much.

One required finance and another wants to move away from a soccer stadium, and all their well won points, to a Championship club,lacking a decent stadium. Do the two clubs not lose points on their grading now?

Perhaps the strategy is the clubs,by their own efforts,playing the game abroad.

Perhaps it might help if you were to look back over the myriad posts on this topic since the dawn of this thread in  October 2023.  In any case, you know very well how it works.

[JohnM]

Just watched the League Express podcast #70. Its always worth watching and if yuou haven't , you should.

Otherwise, how else would you know that those of us who support the RFL's "Re-imagining Rugby League" project are, as Martyn put it "besotted with IMG".

 

[Dave T]

49 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Just watched the League Express podcast #70. Its always worth watching and if yuou haven't , you should.

Otherwise, how else would you know that those of us who support the RFL's "Re-imagining Rugby League" project are, as Martyn put it "besotted with IMG".

 

It's really weird language isn't it?

[PREPOSTEROUS]

1 hour ago, JohnM said:

Just watched the League Express podcast #70. Its always worth watching and if yuou haven't , you should.

Otherwise, how else would you know that those of us who support the RFL's "Re-imagining Rugby League" project are, as Martyn put it "besotted with IMG".

 

TRL have made their mind up and look to push anything that goes against IMG, for whatever reason. Yet they bemoan the lack of media recognition the game gets. It's almost as if what we've done for the past 20, 30, 40 years hasn't had the desired affect, so we should carry on down that road.and not try and enter the digital age to look for a new audience. 

[dkw]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

It's really weird language isn't it?

Can't beat a bit of unnecessary generalisation....

[JohnM]

I think it's beyond generalisation, though. It's either a misunderstanding of the position, or a misrepresentation of the position to get a reaction. Martyn did say he had yet to see a single thing that has been done etc.  He's not , in my view, a fan of the integration of infinitesimals.  He seems to be expecting instant impact.