GB to replace England?

[RugbyLeagueGeek]

1 hour ago, Hopie said:

https://www.research.net/r/GBFANRESEARCH

Tell them what you think

Terrible survey with a very poor choice of questions. Things like this do nothing but reinforce my complete lack of faith in the RFL.

[Phil W]

10 hours ago, RugbyLeagueGeek said:

Terrible survey with a very poor choice of questions. Things like this do nothing but reinforce my complete lack of faith in the RFL.

I filled it in but seemed pointless as it was more than obvious that the RFL are bringing the Lions back.

For what it's worth I think we need to sort the home nations out first and have regular meaningful internationals. That builds up support, which takes time and we then reintroduce the Lions.

International rugby league shouldn't be in this position after the last World Cup, we've been let down by those who run the game.

[Archie Gordon]

11 hours ago, RugbyLeagueGeek said:

... reinforce my complete lack of faith in the RFL.

And, for me, RLC. Their contribution thus far seems to be having their logo added to stuff.

[Dave T]

2 hours ago, Phil W said:

I filled it in but seemed pointless as it was more than obvious that the RFL are bringing the Lions back.

For what it's worth I think we need to sort the home nations out first and have regular meaningful internationals. That builds up support, which takes time and we then reintroduce the Lions.

International rugby league shouldn't be in this position after the last World Cup, we've been let down by those who run the game.

Yeah, it was loaded. Q5 asked about whether you were "aware/proud of Lions rich heritage". They are two different things. 

[RugbyLeagueGeek]

2 hours ago, Phil W said:

For what it's worth I think we need to sort the home nations out first and have regular meaningful internationals. That builds up support, which takes time and we then reintroduce the Lions

I'm interpreting this survey and decision to revert to GB as admission that they're all but giving up on the home nations ever playing regular meaningful internationals. 

Seeing other sports' international scenes growing and expanding whilst ours just seems to be shrinking is utterly depressing.

[Damien]

2 hours ago, Phil W said:

I filled it in but seemed pointless as it was more than obvious that the RFL are bringing the Lions back.

For what it's worth I think we need to sort the home nations out first and have regular meaningful internationals. That builds up support, which takes time and we then reintroduce the Lions.

International rugby league shouldn't be in this position after the last World Cup, we've been let down by those who run the game.

Every RL survey reminds me of the staff 'consultation' messages we get at work about changes to terms and conditions etc. They similarly go through the pretence of asking for, and supposedly taking into account, feedback but you know it makes no difference and is a done deal.

[corkonian77]

22 minutes ago, RugbyLeagueGeek said:

I'm interpreting this survey and decision to revert to GB as admission that they're all but giving up on the home nations ever playing regular meaningful internationals. 

Seeing other sports' international scenes growing and expanding whilst ours just seems to be shrinking is utterly depressing.

That's my interpretation.

Ireland  mens team havent  played since 2019 in Ireland and it could  be a decade from then before  they play  in Ireland  again. 

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Didn't they do an almost identical survery before they brought back GB last time?

Not sure if I am having a case of deja vu or I'm just exhausted.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Why the obsession with calling them Great Britain RUGBY LEAGUE Lions? What was wrong with just Great Britain?

[Damien]

15 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Why the obsession with calling them Great Britain RUGBY LEAGUE Lions? What was wrong with just Great Britain?

It undermines the strong brand argument when they feel the need to do this.

[nadera78]

Like the rest of you, I thought the whole questionnaire was terribly loaded, and the re-introduction of the GB team looks like a foregone conclusion. So I took the opportunity to use the comments section to explain why I think this is all a waste of time and they should instead focus on getting more England games played, including some away from the M62, and not midweek or as a warm up for a Toulouse fixture. I also reminded them of the recent disastrous attempt to revive GB.

Have to be honest, outside of some NRL games in the background whilst working I have almost no contact with RL these days. I stopped watching the Broncos a few years ago and domestic RL a year or so back. It was only the internationals and this forum that kept me in touch with RL, and the former have been done so badly in recent times that I'm pretty much done with them too. This sport has some serious problems, the governing body focussing on this sort of nostalgia trip is pretty indicative of an org that won't face up to them.

[Odsal Outlaw]

14 hours ago, Damien said:

In true RL survey fashion this seems awfully loaded. Weird not to ask the same questions regarding England as the GB specific ones.

Fully agree. A questionnaire designed to give them soundbites of why the fans want GB back. I used comments to share a broader perspective!

[17 stone giant]

Since the question told me that England will still be playing in World Cups and in matches in England, then no I don't want Great Britain brought back for one series in Australia, and without any clear indication of what happens after that.

[RP London]

19 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

Since the question told me that England will still be playing in World Cups and in matches in England, then no I don't want Great Britain brought back for one series in Australia, and without any clear indication of what happens after that.

That was very much my response too.. and said it in the comments.. mixed thinking, utterly pointless, cannot build either brand properly by doing that and without serious work on the other nations its just changing shirts for no reason. 

[corkonian77]

2 hours ago, RP London said:

That was very much my response too.. and said it in the comments.. mixed thinking, utterly pointless, cannot build either brand properly by doing that and without serious work on the other nations its just changing shirts for no reason. 

From an Irish  perspective  virtually  nothing  of significance  is being done to assist  the development here. 

The NFL and American  football  has far more interest  in Ireland  than Rugby League.  Although  not promoting  participation  but viewership.

[welshmagpie]

23 minutes ago, corkonian77 said:

From an Irish  perspective  virtually  nothing  of significance  is being done to assist  the development here. 

The NFL and American  football  has far more interest  in Ireland  than Rugby League.  Although  not promoting  participation  but viewership.

From your perspective, what would go a long way for Irish RL in terms of on the ground support?

[corkonian77]

30 minutes ago, welshmagpie said:

From your perspective, what would go a long way for Irish RL in terms of on the 

 

Super  League  and NRL could  give access to free games. 

 Even a free game of week from streaming  site would  help somewhat.

I could  go on about funding  of development  Officers , tours etc.  But none of these will ever happen.

 

[crashmon]

On 29/07/2024 at 18:50, Hopie said:

https://www.research.net/r/GBFANRESEARCH

Tell them what you think

They sent me that as well.  Only one place to put comments, I put this

 

[Mathius Hellwege]

On 30/07/2024 at 07:25, Phil W said:

I filled it in but seemed pointless as it was more than obvious that the RFL are bringing the Lions back.

For what it's worth I think we need to sort the home nations out first and have regular meaningful internationals. That builds up support, which takes time and we then reintroduce the Lions.

International rugby league shouldn't be in this position after the last World Cup, we've been let down by those who run the game.

Why build up Scotland and Ireland without domestic leagues, who play less internationals than Serbia, Greece, Netherlands etc. who by the way have no strong RU presence

[Mathius Hellwege]

On 30/07/2024 at 13:30, 17 stone giant said:

Since the question told me that England will still be playing in World Cups and in matches in England, then no I don't want Great Britain brought back for one series in Australia, and without any clear indication of what happens after that.

Yes, very very lame…you have to go all in for the Lions and accept the reality 

European Championships are enough for the Celtic Nations with an English B team (of course not named this way), France and the other countries with real domestic activity

[corkonian77]

57 minutes ago, Mathius Hellwege said:

Why build up Scotland and Ireland without domestic leagues, who play less internationals than Serbia, Greece, Netherlands etc. who by the way have no strong RU presence

I doubt  Rugby  League  in Ireland  will get much funding  they are pretty  much on their  own from now on. 

[Mathius Hellwege]

7 hours ago, corkonian77 said:

I doubt  Rugby  League  in Ireland  will get much funding  they are pretty  much on their  own from now on. 

Good 

no place to invest money in (even with an association that would not rely on grandsons who never lived in Ireland), Serbia and Greece are way better targets as RU is very weak there

[ghost crayfish]

It's such a poor survey - embarrassing insight into the best minds of the RFL. To them, this question is literally, "hey, should we call them England or GB next year?" There is no consideration about the strategic underpinning of this - it should not simply be a semantic change, as they obviously think. It should be about a future policy - do they tour as GB or England? - and that policy should be about what happens to the home nations.

Is GB designed to be a pathway for Wales juniors to the very elite level (which really isn't open to them simply playing for Wales)?

Is GB intended to provide for a more sustained and coherent 'home nations' international program? For example, if GB play against southern hemisphere teams, a mid-year program involving England, Wales, Ireland etc. becomes a meaningful selection trial, and fringe England players who qualify for the other nations may be encouraged to commit to them instead (boosting competitiveness, public interest etc.)

Has the RFL considered this? Is that their plan? Who would know. Going off the survey, it feels unlikely.

[Mathius Hellwege]

7 hours ago, ghost crayfish said:

It's such a poor survey - embarrassing insight into the best minds of the RFL. To them, this question is literally, "hey, should we call them England or GB next year?" There is no consideration about the strategic underpinning of this - it should not simply be a semantic change, as they obviously think. It should be about a future policy - do they tour as GB or England? - and that policy should be about what happens to the home nations.

Is GB designed to be a pathway for Wales juniors to the very elite level (which really isn't open to them simply playing for Wales)?

Is GB intended to provide for a more sustained and coherent 'home nations' international program? For example, if GB play against southern hemisphere teams, a mid-year program involving England, Wales, Ireland etc. becomes a meaningful selection trial, and fringe England players who qualify for the other nations may be encouraged to commit to them instead (boosting competitiveness, public interest etc.)

Has the RFL considered this? Is that their plan? Who would know. Going off the survey, it feels unlikely.

Exactly the right questions and a good part of the reasons why using the GB brand is the right way

[Dunbar]

On 30/07/2024 at 08:34, Dave T said:

Yeah, it was loaded. Q5 asked about whether you were "aware/proud of Lions rich heritage". They are two different things. 

I wanted to complete the survey, I really did.

But I cannot when a question has aware of and proud as the same answer.  I mean can they not see these two can be mutually exclusive answers.

I was going to show my wife who teaches research methods at university but I am afraid she would divorce me.