3 Aug: SL: Catalans Dragons v Warrington Wolves (Merged Threads)

[Chris22]

No problem with the Catalan suspensions, although I think Edwards was lucky to avoid a ban for dropping a knee onto a prone player. I've seen comments too about McIlorum kneeing Clarke, which I missed at the time.

As for Warrington, Mamo and Hill both lucky to avoid sanctions for me. I do struggle to understand how Hill is charged with punching yet avoids suspension. In my opinion, it is unacceptable that any player found guilty of punching is not suspended.

[Spidey]

I think the players can count themselves lucky for the leniency dishes out here.

If that was an NCL game several players would have long term bans 

[GUBRATS]

2 hours ago, 7723 said:

I thought his running in and punching on 2 separate occasions, plus how he acted with the ref deserved a ban. Only my opinion, but worthy of a ban for me.

I must have missed the punches thrown 

[Dave T]

2 hours ago, Oxford said:

There are no winners here, none with less blame and the loser is the game itself.

They started it! recriminations and counter charges are useless and illogical.

After I was hurt by a coin thrown at the old Wilderspool my wife said she would never come to watch Warrington again and we haven't, but if you look at my posts although that was a long time ago you'll find I haven't mentioned it till now and it has nothing to do with the violence the other day. I'm saying this just to point out I could have put these together and made out Wolves fans were the problem but I'm not doing that, and I wish other people would do the same.

Yes they have to be found wanting for the other day and anyone else involved but making out one set is responsible and the others not so, whether it's the player's or the fans violence, is irresponsible and lame.

 

Sure, was I quoted in error though?

[Dave T]

19 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

I must have missed the punches thrown 

To be fair, Hill got a Grade A charge for punching, 0 match ban. 

People keep talking about Mamo, but I havent seen what he has done that has led to claims that he could have seen 3 red cards and he should be banned. That doesn't mean he hasn't done anything as it was chaos, but nothing instantly stood out.

[Dave T]

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

I think the players can count themselves lucky for the leniency dishes out here.

If that was an NCL game several players would have long term bans 

If it was an NCL game i doubt players would have held back on the punches.

Hugging, grappling, and embarrassing yourself ain't that big an offence - as I've said I'd have welcomed a charge for each club for  not controlling their players, it doesn't look like that is forthcoming, which is weak.

The only person who lost his rag and aggressively punched was given a 3 match ban.

This running in for non-brawls is a blight on the game. 99% of the time nobody ends up fighting, it wastes time and is pretty boring tbh.

[Padge]

First off this was a small contingent of Warrington fans involved, the videos show quite a few moving away but also a few encouraging the ones hell bent on a scrap.

I have been to Perpignan many times and speaking to the locals they have rated Warrington visits as one of the best. 

Catalan fans do try to goad opposition fans in the ground and they can be intimidating, that said the best defence against that is to laugh it off and not get involved with them.

There is absolutely no excuse for trying to climb into another section of the ground to have a punch up, there is also no excuse for using a chair as a weapon unless you are immediately in danger of having violence thrust upon you. The people in the boxes could, it appears to me, have quite easily just pushed the Warrington fans off but it seems they were also up for a scrap.

That is the worst crowd violence I have seen in a stadium since Wire and Leeds at Wembley, when a lot more people were involved in a punch up on the lower tier.

The on-field stuff has been dealt with and though it seems one sided I will, as always, bow to the disciplinary committee's decision as they will have looked at a lot more evidence than I have available.

I just hope that this does not turn into something that ruins future trips to Catalan for other clubs. I think there needs to be some serious bridge building between the two clubs.

 

[Exiled Wiganer]

While I am surprised that Wire players got off so lightly, it would be a stretch to expect their loyal supporters to do anything other than defend that outcome. I am sure I would do likewise if Wigan players had been arguably fortunate to be exonerated. On the whole I think the disciplinary do an excellent job, but 5-1 for bans gives a massively distorted sense of the 2 to tango attacks that went on throughout the game. If they are going to give Wire a free pass (and I don’t mind that they do, I quite enjoy a bit of biff)  then I fail to see why they didn’t  adopt the same approach to the Catalans. 

[Exiled Wiganer]

I was in Carcasonne for a Wire - Broncos game (no idea why it was played there) and the atmosphere was superb. The sense I had was everyone respectfully enjoying themselves and enjoying being in a (mock) historic city. Certainly a million miles away from the 18-30 approach suggested above. 

[burnleywelsh]

2 hours ago, daz39 said:

As i say, most who stay in Perpignan respect it, never stayed in Lloret as that kind of thing doesn't appeal to me or my group but i can imagine what kind of place it is and the  people it attracts, maybe that's where the idiots were staying,  or it could be a coincidence the trouble left when the 'beer buses' did.

Exactly. Been going for a few years now, Not followed any particular club over there. Just picked a match that’s a convenient date for our group and stayed in and around Perpignan. Great place, but I’ve noticed in the last couple of years the town has been a lot quieter post match. It seems that the Lloret crew are just there for the English pub and Full English breakfast experience. I’m glad they don’t hang around in Perpignan. It’s just a shame that they have to come to the game.

[DoubleD]

Nothing much to add apart from the criticism of Child is ridiculous. If anyone thinks by handing out further sin binnings earlier on would’ve prevented that brawl is deluded. It’s the clubs and players responsibility to control themselves and set the standards we all expect. They’re letting themselves, their families, their communities down by their actions on the pitch. The RFL needs to act strongly, even in private (for not wanting to make a big deal of this by hanging out the dirty laundry in public) and clubs need to follow their lead and that leadership needs to follow from the coaches and captains. 

One thing i will add is that Casty should be praised for at least taking a stance and trying to keep that idiot Edwards in check. He certainly sets a better standard than most as captain and always seems respectful 

[Bearman]

22 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

While I am surprised that Wire players got off so lightly, it would be a stretch to expect their loyal supporters to do anything other than defend that outcome. I am sure I would do likewise if Wigan players had been arguably fortunate to be exonerated. On the whole I think the disciplinary do an excellent job, but 5-1 for bans gives a massively distorted sense of the 2 to tango attacks that went on throughout the game. If they are going to give Wire a free pass (and I don’t mind that they do, I quite enjoy a bit of biff)  then I fail to see why they didn’t  adopt the same approach to the Catalans. 

5-1?

No wonder the French believe that they do not get the rub of the green.

Because they don't.

[Dave T]

21 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

While I am surprised that Wire players got off so lightly, it would be a stretch to expect their loyal supporters to do anything other than defend that outcome. I am sure I would do likewise if Wigan players had been arguably fortunate to be exonerated. On the whole I think the disciplinary do an excellent job, but 5-1 for bans gives a massively distorted sense of the 2 to tango attacks that went on throughout the game. If they are going to give Wire a free pass (and I don’t mind that they do, I quite enjoy a bit of biff)  then I fail to see why they didn’t  adopt the same approach to the Catalans. 

It would be good to see this thuggery we apparently got away with. I have been critical of our players and have no desire to defend their foul play, but people keep making this point and then offering up no instances of serious foul play.

The game was on tv, it should be easy for people to highlight the instances they think deserved bans.

[Leeds Wire]

43 minutes ago, Padge said:

I just hope that this does not turn into something that ruins future trips to Catalan for other clubs. I think there needs to be some serious bridge building between the two clubs.

Good shout. This is not from the club but it’s a start:

 

[Padge]

50 minutes ago, burnleywelsh said:

Exactly. Been going for a few years now, Not followed any particular club over there. Just picked a match that’s a convenient date for our group and stayed in and around Perpignan. Great place, but I’ve noticed in the last couple of years the town has been a lot quieter post match. It seems that the Lloret crew are just there for the English pub and Full English breakfast experience. I’m glad they don’t hang around in Perpignan. It’s just a shame that they have to come to the game.

We have noticed that also, the numbers staying in Perpignan has decreased drastically, no direct flights from major Northern airports doesn't help

[Essai Machine]

25 minutes ago, Dave T said:

It would be good to see this thuggery we apparently got away with. I have been critical of our players and have no desire to defend their foul play, but people keep making this point and then offering up no instances of serious foul play.

The game was on tv, it should be easy for people to highlight the instances they think deserved bans.

To be fair to both sides , the camera angles missed much of the activity that the Disciplinary has punished.

For instance , I didn't see what Tomkins and Mamo did  that warranted a red and yellow card , because the tv cameras were focusing on the crowd trouble . So its hard to say which side was naughtier . But a 5 -1 Ban seems grossly unfair .

Perhaps Wire have more 'friends' at Red Hall than Catalan ?

[dealwithit]

Bring the game in to disrepute, anyone?

[GUBRATS]

8 hours ago, Dave T said:

To be fair, Hill got a Grade A charge for punching, 0 match ban. 

People keep talking about Mamo, but I havent seen what he has done that has led to claims that he could have seen 3 red cards and he should be banned. That doesn't mean he hasn't done anything as it was chaos, but nothing instantly stood out.

Same with Mamo , all I saw was him restraining Samkins , who then appeared to throw his elbow into Mamo's face , didn't really see him again until I saw Samkins again throwing punches at I assume Mamo 

[Oxford]

3 hours ago, SL17 said:

Must be similar for Toulouse.

Then they're missing out !

Remi is great.

And so glad to see some sense and reason about all this hope it's what we all think of in the future, how we were better than that.

[Phil]

1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

Same with Mamo , all I saw was him restraining Samkins , who then appeared to throw his elbow into Mamo's face , didn't really see him again until I saw Samkins again throwing punches at I assume Mamo 

You can hear the touch judge saying Mamo has put his head into Tomkins face 

[Chrispmartha]

8 hours ago, Essai Machine said:

To be fair to both sides , the camera angles missed much of the activity that the Disciplinary has punished.

For instance , I didn't see what Tomkins and Mamo did  that warranted a red and yellow card , because the tv cameras were focusing on the crowd trouble . So its hard to say which side was naughtier . But a 5 -1 Ban seems grossly unfair .

Perhaps Wire have more 'friends' at Red Hall than Catalan ?

Tomkins punching Mamo is on the TV footage

[Saint Toppy]

9 hours ago, Dave T said:

To be fair, Hill got a Grade A charge for punching, 0 match ban. 

 

Which is very lenient. Punching is the one area the RFL have been fairly consistent on this year with plenty of 1 match bans handed out - so not sure how Hill managed to get away without receiving one.

Also not sure how Mamo escaped punishment - you can clearly see him pushing his head into Tomkins face and then touchie then reported that to the Ref. Deliberate head to head contact usually comes with a charge and a ban

[Oliver Clothesoff]

8 hours ago, Padge said:

We have noticed that also, the numbers staying in Perpignan has decreased drastically, no direct flights from major Northern airports doesn't help

There never has been, has there? 

There’s direct flights from Stansted and five-six year’s ago, there was a large number of Saints fans on that flight, this year, you could probably count us on two hands. People stay in Spain these days because it’s cheaper for hotels, food and drink (beer is €6 a pint in Perpignan on non-gamedays). It appears that many stay in all-inclusive places in Lloret and places of a similar ilk to that. 

 

[DoubleD]

It’s also worth noting that the Williame suspension presumably has nothing to do with the brawl

[Dave T]

9 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Which is very lenient. Punching is the one area the RFL have been fairly consistent on this year with plenty of 1 match bans handed out - so not sure how Hill managed to get away without receiving one.

Also not sure how Mamo escaped punishment - you can clearly see him pushing his head into Tomkins face and then touchie then reported that to the Ref. Deliberate head to head contact usually comes with a charge and a ban

I wouldn't have complained about Hill getting a match, but his charge was the least severe, classed as lashing out in reaction to an opponent. TBH the shermozzle on the floor was hardly UFC stuff and he was sin binned.

Could you provide evidence of your last line, because, with respect it is BS. It is not unusual for players to put their heads against each other in some macho peacocking exercise, Mamo got binned for it. I have genuinely never, ever seen anybody banned for it. A head butt is a different thing.