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4 minutes ago, tim2 said:

At least Norwich, Villa and Sheff U were already full-time and can pick up players world-wide to boost their squad. This is a bigger gap with a restricted player pool. One of the arguments for licensing was to avoid yoyoing like London and Leigh.

Yes it avoids it , no ' yo ' at all 

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20 minutes ago, tim2 said:

At least Norwich, Villa and Sheff U were already full-time and can pick up players world-wide to boost their squad. This is a bigger gap with a restricted player pool. One of the arguments for licensing was to avoid yoyoing like London and Leigh.

Norwich spent net £1.5m this year and the team that beat Man City least week cost £6.5m, we’re not even able to pick up players world wide now let alone when we don’t know what league we’ll be in. My point was until you know what league you’re in you don’t know how much money you have to spend and what players you can target, and that is the same for all sports; the financial gap between the top two flights in football is bigger than the RL equivalent. 

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4 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Nobody knows 

The point I was trying to make was that Elstone wants the situation sorted before the final.

So if Toronto are refused entry why would they want to play in a pretty meaningless GF.

How could the game even have a possibility of this situation happening.

The mind boggles.

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The SL club's don't want promotion & relegation, they want to keep a closed shop so they know what finance they have from year to year. This years relegation fight, especially the intrest shown in it by supporters and their paymaster's at Sky must have really pi**ed them off and shows just how out touch with reality they are.

Meanwhile their mouthpiece Elstone bumbles from one problem to another, scared to make a decision on his own, just what has he achieved? Nothing, save that he's the perfect figurehead for the SL cabal.

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22 minutes ago, gittinsfan said:

The point I was trying to make was that Elstone wants the situation sorted before the final.

So if Toronto are refused entry why would they want to play in a pretty meaningless GF.

How could the game even have a possibility of this situation happening.

The mind boggles.

All players and fans want to win the grand final. It's never been meaningless. That's the whole purpose of the competition. It's only this year promotion has been an added incentive. 

There was no promotion the year my team made the final but it was still as competitive. 

 

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3 hours ago, Niels said:

All players and fans want to win the grand final. It's never been meaningless. That's the whole purpose of the competition.

If winning the Grand Final is so important, why are SL fans not bothered to show up for play off games? It's pathetic.

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8 hours ago, Clogiron said:

The SL club's don't want promotion & relegation, they want to keep a closed shop so they know what finance they have from year to year. This years relegation fight, especially the intrest shown in it by supporters and their paymaster's at Sky must have really pi**ed them off and shows just how out touch with reality they are.

Meanwhile their mouthpiece Elstone bumbles from one problem to another, scared to make a decision on his own, just what has he achieved? Nothing, save that he's the perfect figurehead for the SL cabal.

Pretty sure a year ago Super League teams voted for P&R. But great conspiracy theory there chief. 

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21 hours ago, Private Baldrick said:

Yes we have a broadcasting deal, as does every other Championship club, with Sky. They chose not to show the Championship though.

But they do, just when Toronto Plays...you're welcome. And haven't they started showing other Champ games also this year in the UK or was that the plan for next season?

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12 minutes ago, Krzzystuff said:

But they do, just when Toronto Plays...you're welcome. And haven't they started showing other Champ games also this year in the UK or was that the plan for next season?

Apart from the Bash and the end of season play offs, any other Championship and League 1 game was only available on the Our League streaming service, not on Sky T.V. I am not aware of Sky's plans for next season.

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18 hours ago, tim2 said:

At least Norwich, Villa and Sheff U were already full-time and can pick up players world-wide to boost their squad. This is a bigger gap with a restricted player pool. One of the arguments for licensing was to avoid yoyoing like London and Leigh.

In fairness, Leigh didn't finish bottom and London were joint bottom in the most competitive relegation battle ever with the highest points at the bottom. Both were incredibly unlucky.

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9 minutes ago, tuutaisrambo said:

So.......If Toronto/Toulouse go up they are saving Rugby League and if Fev go up they are killing it.

Ok thanks for the info ? ?

As a wolfpack fan I will tell you that whoever wins deserves to go up. It's that simple, P&R isn't a complicated process but SL is sure doing it's best making it that way.

I'll be very disappointed if we don't go up but I'm pretty sure that's the feeling that every fan would have in that position.

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1 hour ago, tuutaisrambo said:

Unless fev are in the final i hope you go up......

I think you'll find in SL that it's not just us small lower league clubs scratching an existence on very little that are holding the sport back.

Not a knock, but could part-time Featherstone hope to compete in SL? At least TWP and TO are full-time professional teams. Either would need some upgrades, but Fev would need practically a whole new squad wouldn't they? Can they do that? Could they afford that?

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21 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Why didn’t Robert Elstone set out the promotion criteria when he visited Toronto 13 months ago?

 

“If Toronto does earn its place in Super League next year, we have to be certain we can manage and fund the obvious logistical challenges of weekly transatlantic travel”

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/super-league-boss-robert-elstone-13108839.amp

Well the costs would be covered by the remaining SL clubs share of Toronto's SKY money.

Logistically the Championship clubs have so far managed it. It strikes me that there is no downside to Toronto entering, especially when one looks at the state Widnes ended their run last season.

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57 minutes ago, TIWIT said:

Not a knock, but could part-time Featherstone hope to compete in SL? At least TWP and TO are full-time professional teams. Either would need some upgrades, but Fev would need practically a whole new squad wouldn't they? Can they do that? Could they afford that?

They wouldnt be part time in SL and would get bigger crowds than farcial “broken promises” Wakefield and “zero passion” Shudds

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1 hour ago, TIWIT said:

Not a knock, but could part-time Featherstone hope to compete in SL? At least TWP and TO are full-time professional teams. Either would need some upgrades, but Fev would need practically a whole new squad wouldn't they? Can they do that? Could they afford that?

They would go full time. Some players would stay, some would leave. The hard part is finding a big chunk of players at short notice. You would find that some part time players would convert to full time whereas some who want to remain part time would leave. Some Fev players are effectively full time now.

Invariably, there would likely be some signings from Australia as that's the quickest way to sign good quality players quickly. You might see a couple picked up from the top of the championship as well

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On 22/09/2019 at 16:30, Scubby said:

Have Featherstone met all the criteria for promotion? Have Toulouse? Do we actually know what it is? Is it a secret?

So many questions.

I think Elstone said something in his Rugby AM interview that Tolouse are ok nowt about Fev though. But if London can play In SL playing in a what essentially not much more than  amateur RU club park field. Then Fev should be fine, but as you say no one really knows. 

 

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On 23/09/2019 at 07:23, Oliver Clothesoff said:

Pretty sure a year ago Super League teams voted for P&R. But great conspiracy theory there chief. 

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Interesting interview with Neil Hudgell this week...you can guarantee he is communicating the thinking of Messrs Lenegan and co.

 

JS: Turning focus to the wider game, how do you see 2020, because it feels a crucial year for the sport too in particular with the new TV deal negotiation?

NH: The TV deal is pivotal to the success of the game. There are some poor indicators at the minute of the levels of interest and enthusiasm in the sport.

The play-off week one attendances were pretty awful, why I am not sure. It is pivotal. We need a strategy about what that next period of time looks like. Do we pull the drawbridge up again on promotion and relegation and give everyone time to get their business into shape? It feels like we should do that.  We should start with a number of teams and then as and when new sides are ready we add to it. We may start with 10 or 12 and then add a Toronto, a London or a Leigh or whoever and add to it so long as they benefit the competition and we don’t continue with the instability of the competition.

There are a lot of strategic decisions that need to be made for the competition that then tie into the broadcaster and tick the boxes of what they want.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/rugby-league-news/hull-kr-hudgell-craven-park-3356850

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1 minute ago, scotchy1 said:

Fev haven't been in SL ever and its nearly a quarter of a century old.

The idea that fev existence is tied to participation in SL is odd.

Fev's existence is tied to the possibility of participation in SL, as is every other team below SL level, surely? Otherwise what's the point?

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21 minutes ago, Marty Funkhouser said:

Interesting interview with Neil Hudgell this week...you can guarantee he is communicating the thinking of Messrs Lenegan and co.

 

JS: Turning focus to the wider game, how do you see 2020, because it feels a crucial year for the sport too in particular with the new TV deal negotiation?

NH: The TV deal is pivotal to the success of the game. There are some poor indicators at the minute of the levels of interest and enthusiasm in the sport.

The play-off week one attendances were pretty awful, why I am not sure. It is pivotal. We need a strategy about what that next period of time looks like. Do we pull the drawbridge up again on promotion and relegation and give everyone time to get their business into shape? It feels like we should do that.  We should start with a number of teams and then as and when new sides are ready we add to it. We may start with 10 or 12 and then add a Toronto, a London or a Leigh or whoever and add to it so long as they benefit the competition and we don’t continue with the instability of the competition.

There are a lot of strategic decisions that need to be made for the competition that then tie into the broadcaster and tick the boxes of what they want.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/rugby-league-news/hull-kr-hudgell-craven-park-3356850

Has he not read the crowd threads that show increases at most clubs across the game? The poor levels of enthusiasm are coming from people like him and Elstone in interviews like this!

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Just now, Dave T said:

Has he not read the crowd threads that show increases at most clubs across the game? The poor levels of enthusiasm are coming from people like him and Elstone in interviews like this!

"Its not a question of being negative...."

And Mr Elstone not on script apparently...

NH: Maybe, but we need four or five of those players of that calibre. Ultimately the market isn’t there.

I have to contradict what Robert Elstone has said about expanding the game to 14 clubs.

There isn’t enough players for 12 clubs, not enough quality players. It’s an indictment of the competition that everyone finished closer to the bottom than the top team St Helens. I don’t want to be negative, it’s not a question of being negative, and it’s about being realistic about things.

There is no cause for celebration that four clubs on the last day of the season are in competition to avoid that relegation spot. You shouldn’t have a third of your competition in that situation because it doesn’t build viability or sustainability. It’s as simple as that.

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