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On 09/04/2021 at 11:32, Blind side johnny said:

Does this sound like a "small town" type of argument to you?

They can't be a full member of the RFL as laid down by the RFL - British clubs only.

I’m guessing it’s more to do with only being able to be a full member of one association. They are unlikely to want to give up their French Federation membership. 

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So London are the only club expected to travel to Toulouse to play? Is the reason for that literally because they are the only fully pro team? Sorry but thats preposterous, why should that make things

The RFL needs to re-think it's decision for three reasons: Firstly, it does discrimate against full-time clubs in the championship, if there is a requirement for then to go to France and not part

I've no issue with that..... if you want to comment on that feel.free on that thread. This thread is about London broncos owd cock

42 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Aren’t Toulouse being awarded the win to their percentage. If the rest of the teams refused to go/play them they’d walk the comp. 

I think it's tilted in their favour already, part time teams cannot be expected to travel over then isolate on the way back. 

Hopefully Toulouse will go up

And its not a problem for the championship clubs again. 

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3 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Do keep up RP. The fixture list for the Championship, as published weeks ago, does not cover each club playing each other one home and away. Every club loses four "fixtures" from what would have been a balanced programme under normal circumstances. That is why the league positions will be determined on the basis of the win percentage rather than points. Hence, two clubs didn't have an away fixture in Toulouse to begin with and two other clubs won't have a home fixture with them either.

That is what I understood.  My surprise was that it seemed from what I was reading that Toulouse (certainly their home fixtures) had been deleted.

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53 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

That is what I understood.  My surprise was that it seemed from what I was reading that Toulouse (certainly their home fixtures) had been deleted.

Not if I understand correctly. Toulouse are being credited with the win but London will not be credited with having played the game against their mandatory 70% even though the loss will count in their win percentage. I know that this sounds odd but it also makes sense.

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5 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Cool, as could London. In a fairly run comp. But apparently they are judged by different criteria, because, er, well just because 

Could it be because london let toulouse buy a private plane,pay Covid test for all of them and decide few days before to stay home. Very fair.... but still have to pay for everything reserved. Sad 

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21 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

Given this week's events, it's not a good look having Catalans, drawn at home, playing in the UK.

This is a condition of the BBC contract with the RFL for CC broadcasts. Steve McNamara said that they were fully aware of this when they entered the competition.

Covid restrictions prevent the BBC from arranging broadcasts from France, apparently.

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9 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Do keep up RP. The fixture list for the Championship, as published weeks ago, does not cover each club playing each other one home and away. Every club loses four "fixtures" from what would have been a balanced programme under normal circumstances. That is why the league positions will be determined on the basis of the win percentage rather than points. Hence, two clubs didn't have an away fixture in Toulouse to begin with and two other clubs won't have a home fixture with them either.

that's true every team miss out on two home games and don't have to travel to two away games leaving 22 games 

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On 09/04/2021 at 08:59, coolie said:

Reading that

If nobody travels to France to play Toulouse 

They cannot qualify for the play offs

As they would have played only 50% of games.

Not true -  look again at the last paragraph.

 

"Toulouse are now deemed to have played two matches...and London Broncos one."

 

So what the RFL have done is awarded Toulouse a win that counts towards the percentage of completed fixtures that need to be played. London, owing to their forfeit, won't have this game count in their completed fixtures so not only do they earn no points, they've also reduced their percentage of games played, so if they just miss the 70% threshold, the RFL can just turn around and say "Well, It's your own fault for not fulfilling the Toulouse match."

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On 09/04/2021 at 17:43, Rupert Prince said:

So why cannot the other clubs play as well? The issue of full time part time is a total red herring. 

I believe the Toulouse home games against English part time sides have merely been postponed until later in the year when Covid protocols may change. 

  https://www.rugby-league.com/article/57735/statement--toulouse-olympique

The sport isn't fair and it is not a level playing field - a bit like recent promotions,the promotion of London Broncos into Super League in the 1990's.

Catalans Dragons fulfilling their obligations, last year,and their home cup game,in St Helen's v Wakefield Trinity last night.

No surprise to see a rich owner of a rugby league club not wanting to go the extra mile for the fallacy of the rugby league family.

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21 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

If the part time teams go to Toulouse later in the season, why can't London?

There’s not enough room in the calendar. They had their slot to go and didn’t 

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On 10/04/2021 at 11:37, Blind side johnny said:

The "decision" wasn't about whether clubs would play Toulouse away or not. Despite the attempts of some on here to be utterly simplistic it was a complex proposal from the RFL about the whole structure of the Championship and C1 in 2021 that provided the possibility of a season of fixtures actually being run, together with a host of contingencies regarding the avoidance of excessive disruption to these schedules in the case of another Covid surge.

These proposals were drawn up and considered when the country was still in the throes of a major Covid wave with hundreds of people dying daily. The alternative to accepting these proposals, together with their idiosyncrasies could, in reality, have meant abandoning the 2021 season in total. This could well have resulted in some clubs closing, possibly for good. It would appear that some posters on here would regard this as a price worth paying.

At the time I certainly wasn't aware of London kicking up a major fuss about the arrangements. Nor do I recall them saying that they would refuse to travel to Toulouse under these circumstances or obligations. What has changed in the meantime?

Thanks for shedding some light on this murky situation.

It was obvious to me that managing this pandemic and trying to preserve as many fixtures (and as much revenue) as possible was at the heart of any arrangements made and agreed to.

I don't want you to think that I was being simplistic, (or that I'm simplistic by nature) so I want to restate that my point was not in essence, a criticism of the RFL or the Championship clubs but rather about the unsympathetic nature of some of the posters on this forum.

Even in these extraordinary circumstances many posters seem hell bent on punishment and vilification rather than suspending judgement until all the facts are in. Additionally, some (here) seem perfectly happy to advocate unfairness as a principle as long as they can see some short term benefit by disadvantaging others. 

The underlying motive, in these cases is almost always envy and if it goes unchecked, it has the potential to tear us apart.

 

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7 hours ago, Angelic Cynic said:

I believe the Toulouse home games against English part time sides have merely been postponed until later in the year when Covid protocols may change

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If so, why not London?

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1 hour ago, Rupert Prince said:

If so, why not London?

I hope this answers the question - London Broncos are full-time

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/part-time-teams-wont-be-required-to-travel-to-toulouse-until-quarantine-restrictions-are-lifted/

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4 hours ago, fighting irish said:

 

 

 

Even in these extraordinary circumstances many posters seem hell bent on punishment and vilification rather than suspending judgement until all the facts are in. Additionally, some (here) seem perfectly happy to advocate unfairness as a principle as long as they can see some short term benefit by disadvantaging others. 

 

^^ This

 

Broncos, like almost every club at this level, are reliant upon a benefactor paying the bills. Why the RFL have randomly decided only the irritatingly far-from-Leeds Mr Hughes should have to do X, Y and Z out of some sort of magical beneficence and not expect the same of his peers is a mystery to me. But makes perfect sense to everyone else apparently. 

 

The logical dividing line for travel and other comp structure decisions in a pandemic is by league level, not by wage structure. Anything else we expect full time teams to do? If we’d had this sort of discretion in the late 1980’s maybe we could have stopped Wigan killing the competition back then..!! 😂😂😂
 

 

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2 hours ago, Angelic Cynic said:

Broncos really have been poor in their approach to this. I note the old prejudices resurfacing. However its really lucky Covid knows the difference between full and part time players and that the 5 days of isolation (non elite comp) wouldn’t affect any team prep. 

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On 08/04/2021 at 12:07, DimmestStar said:

There is currently a 3rd wave in France and a 6pm curfew.

Ridiculous that London or anyone else is expected to travel to France.

Coved was not n issue in this matter.and Toulouse had arranged special precautions.

 

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23 hours ago, Southern Reiver said:

Broncos really have been poor in their approach to this. I note the old prejudices resurfacing. However its really lucky Covid knows the difference between full and part time players and that the 5 days of isolation (non elite comp) wouldn’t affect any team prep. 

That's where the misunderstanding comes in It's not covid it's the governent who are allowing what they call elite clubs by that they mean full time to travel abroad then when they  come back   they  have to isolate for 10 days however  because they are in a bubble it can be reduced to 5 days if they pass a covid test so as not to jepordise future games  but they can only go to training and games they are still not allowed to leave their homes and do normal thing for the stipulated 10 days 

now part time players who have outside interests from the sport do not get this exemption they have to isolate for 10 days so that's time off work sat at home without pay while full time players can sit at home in  a 5 day isolation and still get a full pay packet

so the RFL listened to the government guidelines and postponed 2 part time reams from travelling and allowed a full time team to participate 

 

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If, as has been suggested, the Broncos players would be permitted to train together as a bubble during the quarantine period, how would travelling to Toulouse now rather than towards the end of the season disadvantage them?

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