Dragons new stand confirmed

[ATLANTISMAN]

Its finally confirmed new 3500 seater stand more hospitality as well.

Cost 14 million euros 

12 million from the municipal

2 million from the Dragons 

The club cannot even spend the money on players that they are making.

Fantastic news 

[Ragingbull]

 

2 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Its finally confirmed new 3500 seater stand more hospitality as well.

Cost 14 million euros 

12 million from the municipal

2 million from the Dragons 

The club cannot even spend the money on players that they are making.

Fantastic news 

Great paraphrasing from Serious about RL  an article thats available for everyone to read on line. 

[Omott91]

7 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Its finally confirmed new 3500 seater stand more hospitality as well.

Cost 14 million euros 

12 million from the municipal

2 million from the Dragons 

The club cannot even spend the money on players that they are making.

Fantastic news 

Which stand will it replace?

[ATLANTISMAN]

5 minutes ago, Omott91 said:

Which stand will it replace?

Guash the small one 

[IM2]

14 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Guash the small one 

what will the new capacity be

[Damien]

6 hours ago, Ragingbull said:

 

Great paraphrasing from Serious about RL  an article thats available for everyone to read on line. 

And season ticket sales 20% up in that article too.

[barnyia]

The capacity wont change that much(1000 or so)  but they will have more reception areas for pre match and after match sponsors meals and executive areas, 

 

[Leyther_Matt]

If it doesn’t breathe fire then I don’t want to know. 

[Yakstorm]

1 hour ago, barnyia said:

The capacity wont change that much(1000 or so)  but they will have more reception areas for pre match and after match sponsors meals and executive areas

So it will pretty much be the same capacity as Stade Aimé-Giral (14K)?

Do we know if the planned extention to Puig Aubert end with  sweeping corner to connect it with the Bonzoms stand(Source: TotalRL) was approved as well?

[ATLANTISMAN]

1 hour ago, barnyia said:

The capacity wont change that much(1000 or so)  but they will have more reception areas for pre match and after match sponsors meals and executive areas, 

 

Makes sense as the French love to spend money on hospitality and make an entire day of it well into the evening, the Dragons take more revenue on one match day for VIP than some SL clubs do over 2 seasons its night and day and at decent prices average numbers for hospitality on match days are around 1200 (On a 8000 crowd thats over 15%) and the club want that to grow to over 20%.

In addition to that you have to add the spend per head around the stadium on food and drink on match days which is pretty impressive the club shop which is the best one in the entire league overall sponsorships etc .

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by ATLANTISMAN

[The Future is League]

1 hour ago, barnyia said:

The capacity wont change that much(1000 or so)  but they will have more reception areas for pre match and after match sponsors meals and executive areas, 

 

= more money coming into the club

[barnyia]

Yes the hospitality is full, there's a waiting list, so having more will increase the income, 

[Leyther_Matt]

2 hours ago, Yakstorm said:

So it will pretty much be the same capacity as Stade Aimé-Giral (14K)?

Do we know if the planned extention to Puig Aubert end with  sweeping corner to connect it with the Bonzoms stand(Source: TotalRL) was approved as well?

That would be pretty tight because of the road, I’d have thought?

[Pulga]

On 27/12/2023 at 20:20, ATLANTISMAN said:

Makes sense as the French love to spend money on hospitality and make an entire day of it well into the evening, the Dragons take more revenue on one match day for VIP than some SL clubs do over 2 seasons its night and day and at decent prices average numbers for hospitality on match days are around 1200 (On a 8000 crowd thats over 15%) and the club want that to grow to over 20%.

In addition to that you have to add the spend per head around the stadium on food and drink on match days which is pretty impressive the club shop which is the best one in the entire league overall sponsorships etc .

 

 

 

Another reason to admit TO to SL and give them 5 years relegation exemption.

[Jim from Oz]

On 30/12/2023 at 11:55, Pulga said:

Another reason to admit TO to SL and give them 5 years relegation exemption.

Toulouse and Catalans should be permanently exempt from relegation ! Controversial, I know, but it is for the long-term future of the code 

[GeordieSaint]

1 hour ago, Jim from Oz said:

Toulouse and Catalans should be permanently exempt from relegation ! Controversial, I know, but it is for the long-term future of the code 

I don’t think it’s controversial at all. Plain common sense IMO. 

[Phil]

1 hour ago, GeordieSaint said:

I don’t think it’s controversial at all. Plain common sense IMO. 

And yet…..

[sam4731]

7 hours ago, Jim from Oz said:

Toulouse and Catalans should be permanently exempt from relegation ! Controversial, I know, but it is for the long-term future of the code 

Don't worry, everyone is exempt from relegation now in the conventional sense. As long as you've got enough followers on X and you've got electronic advertising hoardings you're golden.

[Click]

10 hours ago, sam4731 said:

Don't worry, everyone is exempt from relegation now in the conventional sense. As long as you've got enough followers on X and you've got electronic advertising hoardings you're golden.

Not sure its entirely relevant to a topic around Catalans new stand, but if it was that easy then London wouldn't be confirmed to be relegated after next year.

[Eddie]

16 hours ago, GeordieSaint said:

I don’t think it’s controversial at all. Plain common sense IMO. 

Agreed, on field performance is irrelevant, P&R should be all about geographic location. 

[audois]

In to 2022

Gilbert Brutus 8,922 later at Ernest Wallon 9,168

Should what could be 

[Barley Mow]

1 hour ago, audois said:

In to 2022

Gilbert Brutus 8,922 later at Ernest Wallon 9,168

Should what could be 

I hadn't contributed to this thread because I dislike how almost any discussion of Catalan or Toulouse gets side tracked from the topic into issues around the composition of Super League. If any other Super League club had plans approved for a new stand it wouldn't get side tracked with calls to automatically promote their nearest Championship neighbours.

That said, your post intrigues me because you seem to be saying that Toulouse are worthy of a place in Super League based solely on the crowd that matches with their closest opponent have drawn. If this is a valid reason for having clubs in Super League, then surely Bradford should be top of your list? I'm quite sure that the matches between them and Leeds would draw some of the largest crowds in the whole of SL.

For clarification, I wouldn't support Bradford or Toulouse (or anyone else) gaining a place SL on this basis.

On the actual subject of the thread - Congratulations to Catalans on this progress, I hope it is a success. Let's hope that all of our clubs can keep developing step by step in a similar way.

Edited January 1 by Barley Mow

[Tommygilf]

2 hours ago, Barley Mow said:

I hadn't contributed to this thread because I dislike how almost any discussion of Catalan or Toulouse gets side tracked from the topic into issues around the composition of Super League. If any other Super League club had plans approved for a new stand it wouldn't get side tracked with calls to automatically promote their nearest Championship neighbours.

That said, your post intrigues me because you seem to be saying that Toulouse are worthy of a place in Super League based solely on the crowd that matches with their closest opponent have drawn. If this is a valid reason for having clubs in Super League, then surely Bradford should be top of your list? I'm quite sure that the matches between them and Leeds would draw some of the largest crowds in the whole of SL.

For clarification, I wouldn't support Bradford or Toulouse (or anyone else) gaining a place SL on this basis.

On the actual subject of the thread - Congratulations to Catalans on this progress, I hope it is a success. Let's hope that all of our clubs can keep developing step by step in a similar way.

I think its clear that there is a difference between highlighting the benefits to the only two fully pro French Clubs who are located further away from eachother than Hull and Warrington are, than saying lets have a 4th, 5th etc club in West Yorkshire...

[Barley Mow]

5 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

I think its clear that there is a difference between highlighting the benefits to the only two fully pro French Clubs who are located further away from eachother than Hull and Warrington are, than saying lets have a 4th, 5th etc club in West Yorkshire...

I'm sure there are benefits. I was also conscious of the distance between Perpignan and Toulouse when I was writing things like 'neighbours'.

I'm entirely happy for their to be two French clubs in Super League - my own preference would be for the actual clubs to be decided by on-field performance (subject to strictly enforced minimum standards).

My comment was trying to express only that it is interesting that crowds of around 9,000 can be used as justification for advocating Toulouse's advancement when there is at least one obvious alternate Championship club who would probably at least double that for their big matches with their closest rival.

While recognising that 2022 was at the end of the COVID restrictions, etc, it should be noted that 8 clubs had higher attendances than those quoted for at least one match that year (including Catalans against other opposition) 

In 2023 both the 8,922 and the 9,168 quoted would actually have been below the average for SL (9,256).

The argument seemed to be that Toulouse's attendances when they played Catalans in 2022 justified a place in Super League. My point is that even if we were to use that as the basis for membership, Toulouse wouldn't be at the front of that queue.

[Yakstorm]

9 hours ago, Barley Mow said:

The argument seemed to be that Toulouse's attendances when they played Catalans in 2022 justified a place in Super League. My point is that even if we were to use that as the basis for membership, Toulouse wouldn't be at the front of that queue.

I think you're drawing bit of a long bow there based upon @audois post.  All he said was what the crowds were between Catalan and Toulouse, at no stage did he say that Toulouse should be automatically in SL because of it, or that they should be ahead of someone like a Bradford based upon crowds.   Just that the Catalan v Toulouse crowds were quite strong (in the context of the 2022 season) and imagine what they could grow to if it was a regular fixture.

Considering both matches (August 25 & April 14) were Thursday nights, and as others have pointed out, the two cities are over 200km apart, it's fair to speculate that if the match was on a Saturday or Sunday and it was a regular fixture, they could draw significantly more.

It's also fair to speculate, that considering how strong hospitality culture is in France for sporting event and how it has turned Catalans into one of the largest revenue generating clubs in SL, that potentially Toulouse, considering they are based in a bigger city, could also be a big earner.  

None of those last two items were said in Audois' post, just other things to consider on the crowd side.

For me personally, I would love to see both Bradford & TO in SL because they both represent large population centres, have solid supporter bases now, and in the case of Bradford, was once a big club.  SL lacks representation in big cities, both Bradford & Toulouse have around half a million in the main centre (Bradford 550K, Toulouse 470K) and then another million+ in the 'greater' region and have solid enough supporter bases to build from.  Bradford honestly would be likely to be in SL next year if they moved from Odsal.