IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[JonM]

14 minutes ago, Jill Halfpenny fan said:

Huddersfield, Batley & Dewsbury total approx 253,000 which means there's another 190,000 or so spread across the region. I hadn't realised all these three clubs were under the same authority, I certainly hadn't realised they had such a large area included in their catchment.

Get another 400 houses built in Runcorn and Widnes's grading goes up by 0.5 points, the equivalent of winning both the Championship and the Challenge Cup in the same season. (Halton population is 129K, the boundary for an extra half point is 130K).

[LeeF]

45 minutes ago, Jill Halfpenny fan said:

Huddersfield, Batley & Dewsbury total approx 253,000 which means there's another 190,000 or so spread across the region. I hadn't realised all these three clubs were under the same authority, I certainly hadn't realised they had such a large area included in their catchment.

It’s very spread out with Huddersfield accounting for c150k

[MattSantos]

28 minutes ago, JonM said:

Get another 400 houses built in Runcorn and Widnes's grading goes up by 0.5 points, the equivalent of winning both the Championship and the Challenge Cup in the same season. (Halton population is 129K, the boundary for an extra half point is 130K).

This is it. I think we can all say that we hope IMG influence positive, tangibvle change, but the execution is all wrong.

Catchment area cannot be controlled and yet it's deemed to be more important than the most important thing of all, the rugby.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

1 hour ago, JonM said:

Probably not. I suspect the increase in the population of Kirklees in the last 3 years has just about stopped it being true

The grading handbook says:

"Catchment Area is defined as the population of the Local Authority District where the club’s stadium is located divided by the total number of Tier 1 and Tier 2 clubs in the same area."

Kirklees population is 433,200: divide that by 3 gives you 144K each, enough for 1 grading point. Divide it by 2 gives you 216K each, still only enough for one point. It would need Batley to be relegated as well to increase the scores of all 3 of Huddersfield, Dewsbury & Batley. But probably Tier 2 means Championship and League 1, not just Championship - would be pretty stupid otherwise. Although as this is a system that gives Dewsbury the same catchment area points as London, maybe it being pretty stupid isn't a good argument.

 

For some reason I'd seen 389k - seems that was from the 2001 census.

[redjonn]

42 minutes ago, JonM said:

Get another 400 houses built in Runcorn and Widnes's grading goes up by 0.5 points, the equivalent of winning both the Championship and the Challenge Cup in the same season. (Halton population is 129K, the boundary for an extra half point is 130K).

well, their are a lot of new houses given planing and being built as we speak in Widnes let alone Runcorn, so should be met quite shortly.... I guess depends on population stats being updated. So that's another factor... how quick stats updated.... chuckle....

[Jill Halfpenny fan]

Anyone know which authority Goole will come under. Best I can find is East Riding council but that appears to cover most of East Yorkshire excepting Hull.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

42 minutes ago, Jill Halfpenny fan said:

Anyone know which authority Goole will come under. Best I can find is East Riding council but that appears to cover most of East Yorkshire excepting Hull.

Yep, that's the one.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

2 hours ago, JonM said:

Get another 400 houses built in Runcorn and Widnes's grading goes up by 0.5 points, the equivalent of winning both the Championship and the Challenge Cup in the same season. (Halton population is 129K, the boundary for an extra half point is 130K).

There's no mechanism given in the 'Handbook' to allow for population change from numbers from the 2021 census going forward. Something that really should have been considered, considering we are now 3 years beyond that......

[up the robins]

1 hour ago, Jill Halfpenny fan said:

Anyone know which authority Goole will come under. Best I can find is East Riding council but that appears to cover most of East Yorkshire excepting Hull.

Goole is under the the east riding council district control. But has a Doncaster postcode.

It is approximately 20 Miles from Doncaster and 30 miles from Hull

Edited September 18 by up the robins

[Hopie]

15 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

There's no mechanism given in the 'Handbook' to allow for population change from numbers from the 2021 census going forward. Something that really should have been considered, considering we are now 3 years beyond that......

The next census is in 2031, and it has to be verified before data is released, they have time. 

[Harry Stottle]

3 hours ago, JonM said:

Get another 400 houses built in Runcorn and Widnes's grading goes up by 0.5 points, the equivalent of winning both the Championship and the Challenge Cup in the same season. (Halton population is 129K, the boundary for an extra half point is 130K).

And that shows just how controversial these scoring metrics are.

[Harry Stottle]

2 hours ago, LeeF said:

It’s very spread out with Huddersfield accounting for c150k

So, and Wigan have by far the larger population than Leigh but both being in WN postcode they share the points. It is a load of goolies.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

9 hours ago, Hopie said:

The next census is in 2031, and it has to be verified before data is released, they have time. 

And in the meantime? The figures currently being used are already 3 years out of date.

[Archie Gordon]

4 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

And in the meantime? The figures currently being used are already 3 years out of date.

No reason why latest ONS mid-year population estimates couldn't be used.

[JonM]

1 hour ago, Archie Gordon said:

No reason why latest ONS mid-year population estimates couldn't be used.

"Changes to boundary during the ten year census period that are acknowledged and published as updates by the ONS will be taken into consideration for the catchment score calculation."

I read that as, if there's a boundary change to the council area, we'll update the score accordingly, but no updates to scores simply as a result of population growth or decline over the 10 year period. So Widnes should be angling to get included in the Greater Liverpool City region, or a Cheshire Unitary authority.

[LeeF]

10 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

So, and Wigan have by far the larger population than Leigh but both being in WN postcode they share the points. It is a load of goolies.

I know that you love bringing Leigh into actually every discussion but the WN split is irrelevant to the observation that Kirklees is made up of 10 towns of which Huddersfield accounts for circa a third of the population. HD postcodes will have over half the population of the local authority

[phiggins]

3 minutes ago, LeeF said:

I know that you love bringing Leigh into actually every discussion but the WN split is irrelevant to the observation that Kirklees is made up of 10 towns of which Huddersfield accounts for circa a third of the population. HD postcodes will have over half the population of the local authority

I think the point is that Huddersfield's genuine catchment area is greater than Batley and Dewsbury's, much like Wigan's is greater than Leigh's. But measuring catchment area seemed to have been put into the too difficult bin, and they used this fudge instead.

[Archie Gordon]

37 minutes ago, JonM said:

"Changes to boundary during the ten year census period that are acknowledged and published as updates by the ONS will be taken into consideration for the catchment score calculation."

I read that as, if there's a boundary change to the council area, we'll update the score accordingly, but no updates to scores simply as a result of population growth or decline over the 10 year period. So Widnes should be angling to get included in the Greater Liverpool City region, or a Cheshire Unitary authority.

A bit bizarre to acknowledge that you can use the latest population estimates if the boundary changes but not if doesn't. Just another gremlin in the gradings.

[Harry Stottle]

17 minutes ago, LeeF said:

I know that you love bringing Leigh into actually every discussion but the WN split is irrelevant to the observation that Kirklees is made up of 10 towns of which Huddersfield accounts for circa a third of the population. HD postcodes will have over half the population of the local authority

It is a relevant point in the discussion re these stupid catchment areas, do you know that Leigh (there we go again) is geographically on the extremity of Wigan Metropolitan Borough? WN postcode for which the points are awarded.

The Leigh Catchment area from which there are quite a number of Leigh supporters include Manchester postcodes M46 Atherton, M29 Tyldesley and Astley, and Warrington postcode WA3 Lowton, Glazebury and Golbourne - which incidently the boundary of WA3 is only 1/2 mile from the Leigh Sports Village - 

But I expect you already knew that.

[Damien]

1 hour ago, JonM said:

"Changes to boundary during the ten year census period that are acknowledged and published as updates by the ONS will be taken into consideration for the catchment score calculation."

I read that as, if there's a boundary change to the council area, we'll update the score accordingly, but no updates to scores simply as a result of population growth or decline over the 10 year period. So Widnes should be angling to get included in the Greater Liverpool City region, or a Cheshire Unitary authority.

I read it that as ONS data is updated then scores will be updated accordingly. It doesn't matter how this data is changed, clubs will be assessed against the data at the time of scoring.

[JonM]

18 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

It is a relevant point in the discussion re these stupid catchment areas, do you know that Leigh (there we go again) is geographically on the extremity of Wigan Metropolitan Borough? WN postcode for which the points are awarded.

It's the size of the local council that counts. Postcode is irrelevant. That's why London's population is counted as 200K

[ATLANTISMAN]

12 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

And that shows just how controversial these scoring metrics are.

YEP

As stamp collector hope it wasnt written on the back of a penny black:))))

[Archie Gordon]

4 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

YEP

As stamp collector hope it wasnt written on the back of a penny black:))))

I really wish we'd brought experts in.

[JohnM]

If only the energy spent trying to destroy the project was directed at making it a success, then the world would be a better place and the critics ulcers might heal.

Of course, it's valid to debate areas for improvement, and things might be better if there were more official progress reports to stop people filling in the blanks with their own wishful thinking and interpretations.

But for FFS......

[Worzel]

I wasn't sure this topic could get any more dull, until I read pages of population statistics and the suggestion that IMG should commission a new census just to check whether Keighley need to buy a new big screen or can get away within not bothering. Or something. I lost track after a while.