Gerrumonside ref 2,001 Report post Posted August 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, bazzzz65 said: Perhaps if some of the people who are now shouting about Bury had actually attended their games they wouldn t be in such dire straits ! I used to live in Bury and hardly anybody I knew went to Gigg Lane. I think though in this case Bury have landed in trouble not due to stay-away fans, but due to the awful stewardship of the club that is well documented. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidM 8,665 Report post Posted August 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said: Seems to me that the EFL’s Fit and Proper person test is not fit for purpose in itself. Indeed , it’s just to much of a recurring theme Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidM 8,665 Report post Posted August 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said: Seems to me that the EFL’s Fit and Proper person test is not fit for purpose in itself. Indeed , it’s just to much of a recurring theme Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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gingerjon 12,334 Report post Posted August 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Gerrumonside ref said: Seems to me that the EFL’s Fit and Proper person test is not fit for purpose in itself. Steve Dale didn't pass it because Bury didn't put it through the proper channels - leaving the EFL to either accept on trust and then chase the relevant paperwork (which is what they've done) or expel Bury there and then. Quote Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerrumonside ref 2,001 Report post Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Steve Dale didn't pass it because Bury didn't put it through the proper channels - leaving the EFL to either accept on trust and then chase the relevant paperwork (which is what they've done) or expel Bury there and then. Do you believe the EFL’s fit and proper person test is working in practice. I read a lot of Bolton fans’ comments that are blaming the EFL almost as much as they are blaming Ken Anderson. Edited August 26, 2019 by Gerrumonside ref Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gingerjon 12,334 Report post Posted August 26, 2019 Just now, Gerrumonside ref said: Do you believe the EFL’s fit and proper person test is working in practice. No, because it never can. The EFL have a poor system and have implemented it badly. But there's no magic alternative out there. The people who are doing these things to football, and other sport, clubs do so from a position of having played the system, knowing it's innocent until proven guilty and financial 'guilt' is virtually impossible to prove, and they have money, time and the facts ... which the EFL never have. Quote Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerrumonside ref 2,001 Report post Posted August 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, gingerjon said: No, because it never can. The EFL have a poor system and have implemented it badly. But there's no magic alternative out there. The people who are doing these things to football, and other sport, clubs do so from a position of having played the system, knowing it's innocent until proven guilty and financial 'guilt' is virtually impossible to prove, and they have money, time and the facts ... which the EFL never have. Yes, you make an excellent point there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnM 6,725 Report post Posted August 26, 2019 What betting that Campbell and pal drop their bid to buy Bury and dive in for Bolton before tomorrow's deadline? Quote Four legs good - two legs bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Ting 360 Report post Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, JohnM said: What betting that Campbell and pal drop their bid to buy Bury and dive in for Bolton before tomorrow's deadline? Senior is a Burnley supporter. Bury? errrr ok, small club Bolton??????? I thought I'd raised you to make wise decisions. Although the idea of a Claret owning Bolton certainly is intriguing. Edited August 27, 2019 by Mister Ting Campell twaddle Quote Learn to listen without distortion and learn to look without imagination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnM 6,725 Report post Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) Like father like son? Or Maybe the sins of the father visited on the son? Do we always do what our dad's tell us? Burnley? You'll remember and appreciate what Bob Lord did for the club. During the war, with meat rationing and beef shortages, he introduced the horse and rabbit pie with the bold claim that they were 50% horse, 50% rabbit. . . .turns out that he used one horse to one rabbit. Edited August 27, 2019 by JohnM Quote Four legs good - two legs bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gingerjon 12,334 Report post Posted August 27, 2019 The takeover bid for Bury has been withdrawn. The deadline for a sale or evidence of actual money from Steve Dale is … 57 minutes away. Meanwhile 400 people spent the day cleaning Gigg Lane to get it ready for Saturday's match versus Doncaster ... 1 Quote Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnM 6,725 Report post Posted August 27, 2019 57 minutes ago, gingerjon said: The takeover bid for Bury has been withdrawn. The deadline for a sale or evidence of actual money from Steve Dale is … 57 minutes away. Meanwhile 400 people spent the day cleaning Gigg Lane to get it ready for Saturday's match versus Doncaster ... Well, I was half right. "what betting that Campbell and pal drop their bid to buy Bury Quote Four legs good - two legs bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidM 8,665 Report post Posted August 27, 2019 Very sad , although Sky Sports News thought it light entertainment worthy of a countdown clock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graveyard johnny 1,764 Report post Posted August 27, 2019 if bury go out of the league it will take one of the greatest trivia pub quiz questions with it Quote the grass may be greener on the other side of the fence but the crows are just as black Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiltshire Rhino 2,866 Report post Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, DavidM said: Sky Sports News thought it light entertainment worthy of a countdown clock They misjudged the mood of football fans spectacularly with that countdown Edited August 27, 2019 by Wiltshire Rhino 1 Quote 2014 Challenged Cup Winner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bedford Roughyed 6,972 Report post Posted August 27, 2019 Bury are gone. Quote With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gingerjon 12,334 Report post Posted August 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said: Bury are gone. And David Conn, as ever, sets out in pretty vivid detail why: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/27/bury-historic-club-football-league-financial-ruins Desperately sad news. I doubt there will be a Gigg Lane ground for any phoenix club to play out of, should one be formed. Everyone always expects it but it's never easy to pull off. Quote Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnM 6,725 Report post Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Bury, Bolton, Wimbledon, Brighton, Plymouth, Blackpool of the Oystons, Man U and Carlisle of the Knightons....the list is growing. Here (long read) is a detailed piece on the Leeds United story. Chancers. I'll avoid potenilly actionable opinions about these schemers and chancers. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/mar/07/sport.features1 In the words of Mike Harding: The sly-eyed, twisty-mouthed grabbers and fumblers, The shifty-faced, two-tongued, leadswinging lizards, The snotty-nosed, mardy-arsed bullies And false friends . . . And stick them up to their necks In the foulest stink-pot of an old bog You can find . . . head down . .. And leave them there. Edited August 28, 2019 by JohnM Quote Four legs good - two legs bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graveyard johnny 1,764 Report post Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, graveyard johnny said: if bury go out of the league it will take one of the greatest trivia pub quiz questions with it which team in the football league has the shortest name? well not bury anymore Edited August 28, 2019 by graveyard johnny Quote the grass may be greener on the other side of the fence but the crows are just as black Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bleep1673 1,513 Report post Posted August 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said: which team in the football league has the shortest name? well not bury anymore OK, I'll take one for the team...… QPR, no it's everybody's favourite 1980 rl team.... Fulham Quote Sex and Money are like Oxygen They're not important until you're not getting enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bleep1673 1,513 Report post Posted August 28, 2019 A thought. When Swinton had to sell Station Rd, not a single member of the Rugby League "Community" offered to help, we had debts of over £1.5m, this was because of mis-management of club funds. Housing was built, including a Lions Close. We had to move to, guess where? That's right, Gigg Lane, Bury, now they have gone down the toilet too because of previous managements inability to count to ten on his fingers. Gigg Lane to be demolished and houses to be built, including an extension of Gigg Lane? Quote Sex and Money are like Oxygen They're not important until you're not getting enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerrumonside ref 2,001 Report post Posted August 28, 2019 Bolton saved according to the administrator who confirmed the takeover has been completed by Football Ventures. Some hope that Bury might get a reprieve from the EFL following a late move by an international consortium. It would probably be easier to give them a reprieve than the headache of rejigging the whole season to have a team less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gingerjon 12,334 Report post Posted August 29, 2019 Just one example, I'm sure there were many, of why any sane and reputable business person was always going to run a mile from Bury, no matter how much they wanted to run a football club in the town: https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2019/08/28/1566988112000/The-financialisation-of-Bury-FC-s-car-park/ 1 Quote Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Futtocks 13,296 Report post Posted August 29, 2019 Thank God someone in Football still talks down-to-earth common sense. Take a bow, Monsieur Cantona! "As flies to wanton boys we are for the gods, they kill us for their sport. Soon the science will not only be able to slow down the ageing of the cells, soon the science will fix the cells to the state and so we will become eternal. Only accidents, crimes, wars, will still kill us but unfortunately, crimes, wars, will multiply. I love football. Thank you." Quote "Men will be proud to say 'I am a European'. We hope to see a day when men of every country will think as much of being a European as of being from their native land." (Winston Churchill) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
