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Well my sister's fella is making very small steps in the right direction. From being described as as near to death without being dead, he's now sat up, off dialysis and yesterday was breathing on

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3 hours ago, Bleep1673 said:

Trump suspends funding to WHO because "they didnt do enough to prevent spread of Coronavirus", as though he did the opposite.

I agree, but political.

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41 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

I agree, but political.

Could be on any one of three threads. If the WHO is impacted, then the spread of the virus in non-developed nations could be impacted; then, despite what Trump thinks, this has a severe impact on the developed nations too.

On a side-note, did you know that the 2nd biggest contributor to the WHO, between the USA and Germany, is Bill Gates' Foundation?

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I go to Tesco every day ... my local newsagent has stopped selling newspapers for the duration. I've not noticed any facemasks on sale, yet dozens of people are wearing them. I've checked the Tesco webpage for "facemasks" and all that comes on screen is a variety of cosmetic mudpacks.

 

Where are people buying their coronavirus masks?

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7 hours ago, Gray1967 said:

So what are you trying to say? If you bang it on every political or virus thread on here(which you seem to be trying to do) we will have a Lets clap Boris Friday or something ? ?

Not for the first time these types of post have been posted on both threads. For some strange reason JohnM never seems to complain about a Saintslass political post on this thread though.

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1 hour ago, Wolford6 said:

I go to Tesco every day ... my local newsagent has stopped selling newspapers for the duration. I've not noticed any facemasks on sale, yet dozens of people are wearing them. I've checked the Tesco webpage for "facemasks" and all that comes on screen is a variety of cosmetic mudpacks.

 

Where are people buying their coronavirus masks?

You can buy them on Amazon - I just don't kmow whether some of them are scams or not.

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8 hours ago, ckn said:

The documents behind the COVID-19 death certification process for out-of-hospital deaths haven’t been released publicly yet, as far as I know, so you’ll have to trust me on this. Here’s about the only public release I can find from an official source. The system is called the P-MART process and ties together both confirmation of death and the certification process. If I see it released, I’ll share it if you want, I’d rather not but if it makes you trust the system more then I will.

The combination of COVID-19 being a “notifiable disease” AND this P-MART official process means the rules are far stricter. To get COVID-19 on a death certificate involves police, ambulance, a medical professional (doctor usually), coroner and other people all agreeing that it is COVID-19 as the cause of death and following an awful flowchart of checks and balances. The system is designed to ensure nothing else is hidden behind it, e.g. foul play, negligence, expected deaths, accident, suicide, life’s excrement-happens moments and so on.

I’ve spent far too many soul-destroying meetings talking about COVID-19 deaths, who can certify it, what happens to bodies and so on for my liking. I bloody hate it. I hate how degrading it is to the family of the deceased and the deceased person itself because of the risk of contamination and further deaths if not handled properly. I hate how it puts my clinicians at risk having to certify death (again, different from confirming death).

But... the process is sound. When COVID-19 is listed as primary cause of death in the UK then you can be as confident as these things allow that the person did die of COVID-19 without a full mortuary autopsy.

Can I just add to this, having read a comment via the Reverend My Dad, that it's in absolutely nobody's interests to report a death as covid as, from that point on, it gets even more degrading, expensive and time-consuming for all those involved, including the family? If anything, the pressure is the other way: to not put it on the death certificate unless absolutely necessary.

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2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Can I just add to this, having read a comment via the Reverend My Dad, that it's in absolutely nobody's interests to report a death as covid as, from that point on, it gets even more degrading, expensive and time-consuming for all those involved, including the family? If anything, the pressure is the other way: to not put it on the death certificate unless absolutely necessary.

Good point.

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15 minutes ago, tim2 said:

You can buy them on Amazon - I just don't kmow whether some of them are scams or not.

Order now, you'll get it tomorrow: https://www.ukmeds.co.uk/hygiene-face-mask-ffp2-n95

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I've got a boxful if I want. I occasionally work with asbestos.

I might wear one in the supermarket because it's hayfever season and I dont want to start sniffling and worrying other shoppers.

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Re face masks.  A mate (in his early 80s it has to be said) found an unused decorators mask ftom 25 years ago. He realises it's uselessness but it fills a cosmetic need if he goes out.  His wife has made her own, with  heaven knows what material.

I have a face mask with two carbon filter cartridges that I could wear if I strayed off our property., mainly for comedy value. Last time I left the property was 8 days ago when I went to Boots to collect a prescription. Currently no need to leave our property for three weeks or so. Asda delivery slots getting easier to book.

I'm wary though, of any apps that collect movement data for tracing purposes. Currently, Google Maps even records me wandering round my modest rear garden! ?

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11 hours ago, Hullfan said:

Has anyone been contacted yet, regarding the self employed income support scheme?? 

I had this e-mail through on the evening of 26th March, but had nothing since;

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Dear customer,

The Chancellor, this evening, announced a new Self-employment Income Support Scheme to support self-employed people who have been adversely affected by COVID-19.

GOV‌.UK has further details about who is eligible for the scheme and how it will work.

Self-employed people do not need to get in touch with HMRC as the scheme isn’t yet open for applications. HMRC will contact eligible customers by the beginning of June, inviting them to apply.

Unfortunately, we are aware of an increase in scam emails, calls and texts. If someone gets in touch claiming to be from HMRC, saying that financial help can be claimed or that a tax refund is owed, and asks you to click on a link or to give information such as your name, credit card or bank details, please do not respond.

HMRC will never contact you out of the blue to ask for these details.

The government has also introduced the following help for the self-employed:

We will continue to share the most up to date information directly with you as it becomes available.

Yours sincerely

jharra

Jim Harra

First Permanent Secretary and Chief Executive – HMRC

 

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8 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Wow! How much???? ?????

Quite. And that's cheaper than most of those on Amazon.

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Seeing a few posts that the official guidance has been updated, not sure when as its not time stamped so sorry if this is old news, but just for info for anyone that its relevant to who might have missed it;

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15. Can I exercise more than once a day if I need to due to a significant health condition?

You can leave your home for medical need. If you (or a person in your care) have a specific health condition that requires you to leave the home to maintain your health - including if that involves travel beyond your local area - then you can do so. This could, for example, include where individuals with learning disabilities or autism require specific exercise in an open space two or three times each day - ideally in line with a care plan agreed with a medical professional.

Even in such cases, in order to reduce the spread of infection and protect those exercising, travel outside of the home should be limited, as close to your local area as possible, and you should remain at least 2 metres apart from anyone who is not a member of your household or a carer at all times.

 

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2 hours ago, Wolford6 said:

I go to Tesco every day ... my local newsagent has stopped selling newspapers for the duration. I've not noticed any facemasks on sale, yet dozens of people are wearing them. I've checked the Tesco webpage for "facemasks" and all that comes on screen is a variety of cosmetic mudpacks.

 

Where are people buying their coronavirus masks?

My newsagent is still open. I used to have a walk there every day to pick up my papers. Now I have them delivered.

What was your guys reason for no longer selling them ?

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24 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Re face masks.  A mate (in his early 80s it has to be said) found an unused decorators mask ftom 25 years ago. He realises it's uselessness but it fills a cosmetic need if he goes out.  His wife has made her own, with  heaven knows what material.

I have a face mask with two carbon filter cartridges that I could wear if I strayed off our property., mainly for comedy value. Last time I left the property was 8 days ago when I went to Boots to collect a prescription. Currently no need to leave our property for three weeks or so. Asda delivery slots getting easier to book.

I'm wary though, of any apps that collect movement data for tracing purposes. Currently, Google Maps even records me wandering round my modest rear garden! ?

Here's guidance on civilian usage of masks by a genuine expert on the subject. In summary, cloth masks are far better than nothing.

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Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

My newsagent is still open. I used to have a walk there every day to pick up my papers. Now I have them delivered.

What was your guys reason for no longer selling them ?

I think they have to stay open because it's a post office. It's also a general store and lottery terminal.

I'm gusessing that they wanted to reduce the numbers of people using the shop just to buy a newspaper when, for most of the locals, there's only a low markup on the redtops and Mail.

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46 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Order now, you'll get it tomorrow: https://www.ukmeds.co.uk/hygiene-face-mask-ffp2-n95

These things are a waste of money for civilians because they're meant to be single use. As soon as you touch them with contaminated hands, or they're contaminated by infected droplets then they should be disposed of safely.

You're almost genuinely better just using an old shirt cut into cloth masks as a civilian using social distancing.

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15 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Quite. And that's cheaper than most of those on Amazon.

I think Arco are still doing mail order, though the shops are shut.

I think P1 should be okay for Covid, P2 possibly better and P3 is for Asbestos. All prices will be exclusive of VAT.

https://www.arco.co.uk/search/Personal-Protection-Respiratory-Protection-Disposable-Respirators/_/N-8gw?No=0&Nrpp=36

 

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4 minutes ago, ckn said:

 

You're almost genuinely better just using an old shirt cut into cloth masks as a civilian using social distancing.

The market stalls are all shut. Where can you get knicker elastic for your mask?

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Just now, Wolford6 said:

The market stalls are all shut. Where can you get knicker elastic for your mask?

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Buy some old Wigan shirts, you get the protection and you get the added benefit that  most civilised folk won't come near you. ?

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