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Well... after 66 days in ICU my sister's fella who was described as being as near to death as can be without dying.... has made it. He's home. Half the fella he was.... and the virus has ravaged his l

I'm not putting up with this goading of a volunteer moderator who does a sterling job on my behalf generally on here, but especially recently when I was ill for almost a month with what might well hav

Well my sister's fella is making very small steps in the right direction. From being described as as near to death without being dead, he's now sat up, off dialysis and yesterday was breathing on

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7 minutes ago, ckn said:

These things are a waste of money for civilians because they're meant to be single use. As soon as you touch them with contaminated hands, or they're contaminated by infected droplets then they should be disposed of safely.

You're almost genuinely better just using an old shirt cut into cloth masks as a civilian using social distancing.

Yes - I’ll not be buying from there. Mrs Ginger is good at crafts and has some material on order to do some for us if needed.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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23 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

I think they have to stay open because it's a post office. It's also a general store and lottery terminal.

I'm gusessing that they wanted to reduce the numbers of people using the shop just to buy a newspaper when, for most of the locals, there's only a low markup on the redtops and Mail.

Mine is just an old fashioned paper shop so I suppose papers are a major source of income.

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20 minutes ago, ckn said:

Buy some old Wigan shirts, you get the protection and you get the added benefit that  most civilised folk won't come near you. ?

No, they'll be too busy prostrating themselves at your feet. ?????

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Posted here because I reckon it's not political,  but shows what we are up against. 

On Sky News this morning there was a lengthy interview with (as far as I recall) a Professor in Public Health from Nottingham Trent Uni who strongly claimed our lock down had gone too far by far. Must be confusing when so many experts advocate strong lock down, whist others say it is not quite so vital

 

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3 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Posted here because I reckon it's not political,  but shows what we are up against. 

On Sky News this morning there was a lengthy interview with (as far as I recall) a Professor in Public Health from Nottingham Trent Uni who strongly claimed our lock down had gone too far by far. Must be confusing when so many experts advocate strong lock down, whist others say it is not quite so vital

 

This guy? https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-why-lockdown-may-cost-young-lives-over-time-134580

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34 minutes ago, ckn said:

Buy some old Wigan shirts, you get the protection and you get the added benefit that  most civilised folk won't come near you. ?

Plenty of Ellgren ones still knocking about, they seem to last forever!

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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Mine is just an old fashioned paper shop so I suppose papers are a major source of income.

I wonder how it is working ?

 

I used to temp at WHSnews depot many years ago. All the papers and mags are sent to newsagents on a sale or return basis, at the end of the week/daily they send back their bundles of unsold which are scanned back into the depot to be returned for pulp and the newsagents are credited for unsold. (my wonderful job was to rip off the free gifts from the fronts). I would think scanning back in things returned from newsagents is "iffy" at present.

We used to know which shops always tried to overclaim on their forms and which were always dead right so if we were busy the super honest ones would get just nodded through - i guess they could be doing something on that basis but it was areal labour intensive job (it was back in the day of computer magazines with 2 floppies on the front and every comic had a sweet attached)

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Sister's fella. ENT surgeons refused to do tracheotomy so we feared the worst was upon us. Remains ventilated and on dialysis. 

However, when she phoned Blackpool Vic she was advised he'd had a positive night and had opened his eyes.

Ventilator is being gradually withdrawn. He either makes it or he doesn't. Mother nature is consultant in charge of his care now.

More positives... niece in perth WA is now discharged from hospital.

From a personal and professional point of view this has been proper plop!

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15 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Sister's fella. ENT surgeons refused to do tracheotomy so we feared the worst was upon us. Remains ventilated and on dialysis. 

However, when she phoned Blackpool Vic she was advised he'd had a positive night and had opened his eyes.

Ventilator is being gradually withdrawn. He either makes it or he doesn't. Mother nature is consultant in charge of his care now.

More positives... niece in perth WA is now discharged from hospital.

From a personal and professional point of view this has been proper plop!

Fingers crossed mate. My daughters schoolfriends dad is in same position here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-wales-52280154/page/2

7.30 news. 

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47 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

There's a very interesting article in todays " Guardian " by an Irish writer called Elaine Doyle. It's comparing the respective methods of dealing with the crisis of our government and the Irish government. The bottom line - They are doing a lot better than we are.

Have you got a link? Sick of reading articles from journalists who think it's as simple as comparing a figure across two countries and thinking that tells us something useful. Would be nice to find one who's willing to do some actual investigation and provide context around the whole picture (comparative population densities, even cultural differences for example).

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-52284262

I hope this Nightingale is never used. And I would not consider it a waste of time or money. Better to have planned for the worst than to have not planned and for the existing hospitals to be swamped.

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3 hours ago, shrek said:

Seeing a few posts that the official guidance has been updated, not sure when as its not time stamped so sorry if this is old news, but just for info for anyone that its relevant to who might have missed it;

My stepson received notice of the change from the National Autistic Society on 9th April.

https://www.autism.org.uk/get-involved/media-centre/news/2020-04-09-guidance-on-exercise-coronavirus.aspx 

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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

There's a very interesting article in todays " Guardian " by an Irish writer called Elaine Doyle. It's comparing the respective methods of dealing with the crisis of our government and the Irish government. The bottom line - They are doing a lot better than we are.

Of course they are. As you will be aware, we are useless at everything, all the time. All other countries are better at everything than us. I'm just surprised so many like you still stay in this gigantic failed state. 

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This just in from Mt brother in law who works for a funeral directors south of Galagow. 

only wear mask when removing desceased non-covid, removal of covids are fully PPE. We have 6 covids coffined ready for funerals. They are double body bagged, and not reopened. When coffining we have to wear apron, double gloves, mask and goggles. Coffins are then stored in a separate area than all other deceased. There is no embalming for anyone, we are not accepting any clothes from relatives to dress, viewing is still going on. No more than 10 close family at burials and cremations. No limousines. It all feels very strange. 

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16 minutes ago, tim2 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-52284262

I hope this Nightingale is never used. And I would not consider it a waste of time or money. Better to have planned for the worst than to have not planned and for the existing hospitals to be swamped.

In the hospital I work in we're very quiet in terms of actual number of people in the hospital. That isn't to say there's not more pressure on ICU or more patients requiring ventilation than normal just that we don't have corridors full of patients at the moment. Obviously this is largely down to elective surgery being cancelled and far fewer patients coming through a&e.

I wonder if they would consider making use of the nightingale hospitals to allow more elective surgery to go ahead in regular areas. As you said though, much better to have them and not need them. Just the experience of having done it will be good practice for any future pandemics.

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1 minute ago, JohnM said:

Of course they are. As you will be aware, we are useless at everything, all the time. All other countries are better at everything than us. I'm just surprised so many like you still stay in this gigantic failed state. 

I haven't got much choice at the moment. Leaving the house to have a walk around the common is as good as it gets. Read the article, the stats speak for themselves. Twice as many people are dying pro rata in the UK than in the Irish Republic.

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34 minutes ago, Moove said:

Have you got a link? Sick of reading articles from journalists who think it's as simple as comparing a figure across two countries and thinking that tells us something useful. Would be nice to find one who's willing to do some actual investigation and provide context around the whole picture (comparative population densities, even cultural differences for example).

Sorry I can't do links. I've no doubt somebody a lot smarter than I am will oblige you. It's worth reading.

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5 minutes ago, fevtom said:

In the hospital I work in we're very quiet in terms of actual number of people in the hospital. That isn't to say there's not more pressure on ICU or more patients requiring ventilation than normal just that we don't have corridors full of patients at the moment. Obviously this is largely down to elective surgery being cancelled and far fewer patients coming through a&e.

I wonder if they would consider making use of the nightingale hospitals to allow more elective surgery to go ahead in regular areas. As you said though, much better to have them and not need them. Just the experience of having done it will be good practice for any future pandemics.

As you say good practice for the next one, plus it gave all the building trade guys a job to do. My wife's best friend's son worked on the one in Manchester.

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At least there aren't any fantastical claims being made anywhere.....

The commander of the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps has unveiled a handheld device that he said could identify people infected with the coronavirus within 100m (330ft), Tasnim news agency reports.

"The basis of this device is to create a magnetic field based on a bipolar virus inside the device, so its antenna can focus on any place within a 100m diameter that is infected by the virus, and identify the infected place in five seconds," Maj-Gen Hossein Salami was quoted as saying.

He added that its accuracy was "80%”, but provided no evidence.

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21 minutes ago, JohnM said:

This just in from Mt brother in law who works for a funeral directors south of Galagow. 

only wear mask when removing desceased non-covid, removal of covids are fully PPE. We have 6 covids coffined ready for funerals. They are double body bagged, and not reopened. When coffining we have to wear apron, double gloves, mask and goggles. Coffins are then stored in a separate area than all other deceased. There is no embalming for anyone, we are not accepting any clothes from relatives to dress, viewing is still going on. No more than 10 close family at burials and cremations. No limousines. It all feels very strange. 

That's the same process here. If in hospital, confirmation and certification of death is done, body in a bag, bag decontaminated, put in 2nd bag then off to funeral directors/morgue. Bag never to be opened again short of a court order that'll never be granted. If out of hospital, it's area dependent but many funeral directors are insisting the same process as close as possible or they won't show up to collect the bodies.

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