Clogiron Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Thought I would drag this thread back to the surface because I came across this today. In 2004, in response to the 'Great Britons' survey (which didn't include any black people in the top 100), a survey to find the greatest black Briton was carried out... after a 100,000 responses the list was tallied. The full list is here The top 100 list in full | London Evening Standard but there were no sportspeople in the top 10 but Ellery Hanley came it at number 11. This is ahead of athletes like Daley Thompson (17), Linford Christie (53) and footballers John Barnes (43), Ian Wright (52) and Viv Anderson (60). Martin Offiah also came in at 44 so great to see two Rugby League players recognized by the wider public. Being quite introverted in Rugby League all those years ago it is interesting to see how Hanley and Offiah transcended the sport and were more recognized than some other really well known athletes. If you held a survey of the general public now of Rugby League players these 2 would be the names that would be most prominent, but that's what you get for selling your soul to a satellite pay channel, it might finance the game at present but there's nothing super about Super League in terms of personalities or recognition by the public at large, the game has disappeared off the radar for most of the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Clogiron said: If you held a survey of the general public now of Rugby League players these 2 would be the names that would be most prominent, but that's what you get for selling your soul to a satellite pay channel, it might finance the game at present but there's nothing super about Super League in terms of personalities or recognition by the public at large, the game has disappeared off the radar for most of the population. Yes, I agree that is where we are. And the obvious and clearest way out of this is to get more Rugby League on terrestrial TV and in particular international League. This should be far and away the highest priority for the sport. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Clogiron said: If you held a survey of the general public now of Rugby League players these 2 would be the names that would be most prominent, but that's what you get for selling your soul to a satellite pay channel, it might finance the game at present but there's nothing super about Super League in terms of personalities or recognition by the public at large, the game has disappeared off the radar for most of the population. Happy New Year! eiπ + 1 = 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clogiron Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, JohnM said: Happy New Year! Did you borrow those rose-tinted glasses off Boris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Clogiron said: If you held a survey of the general public now of Rugby League players these 2 would be the names that would be most prominent, but that's what you get for selling your soul to a satellite pay channel, it might finance the game at present but there's nothing super about Super League in terms of personalities or recognition by the public at large, the game has disappeared off the radar for most of the population. Care to mention a major sport that hasn't sold it's soul to a pay channel? "We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato." Don Estelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clogiron Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Futtocks said: Care to mention a major sport that hasn't sold it's soul to a pay channel? Can't help you with that, but can you name one of those sports that sky doesn't promote the participants of in other programming/advertising other than RL? Or why the game thinks they have done us a big favour by having Chris Kammara pass comment on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, Clogiron said: Can't help you with that, but can you name one of those sports that sky doesn't promote the participants of in other programming/advertising other than RL? Or why the game thinks they have done us a big favour by having Chris Kamara pass comment on it? Different question. That Sky Sports take us for granted is a long-established grievance, and nobody likes it. And, may I add "UNBELIEVABLE, JEFF!" "We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato." Don Estelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clogiron Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Futtocks said: Different question. That Sky Sports take us for granted is a long-established grievance, and nobody likes it. And, may I add "UNBELIEVABLE, JEFF!" My contention is that despite what Uncle Mo' told us at the time (not that he had any thing to gain from it) RL was in a much stronger public position than it is now, and that is despite a magnificent GF that should have made a massive impact nationwide. National perception of RL at present centres around Rob Burrow, and to me that doesn't seem right however admirable the cause is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Frisky Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 30/08/2020 at 16:08, GUBRATS said: You mean like " he was a supremely talented player " ? , Like that bit you mean ? It's his ' persona ' I am not a fan of , which is my opinion , maybe if he'd smile a bit more often , as I said , he's from Yorkshire , so always seems a bit depressed Paul Scholes was a fantastic footballer , Roy Keane similarily , but they are THE worst pundits in the history of the game Are you mad Roy Keane is by far the best pundit on TV on any sport. Back to Ellery Hanley and the radio interview that was linked to from a thread on this forum few months ago. It was a fantastic insite into a driven top class athlete. You get the feeling that he would have been the best player in any sport he chose to play- I really cant praise him enough for his outlook on life and how to succeed. He actually reminded me of that Mohammad Ali quote when he said it didnt matter what he did in life he would have been the best in the world - he said if he was a bin man he would have been the best bin man in the world and you get the feeling that's exactly how Ellery looks at life. In my eyes hes the greatest British sportsman ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Clogiron said: Did you borrow those rose-tinted glasses off Boris? The contents of your post are inaccurate. eiπ + 1 = 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anita Bath Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 01/09/2020 at 17:02, rlno1 said: Not to mention the Australian public couldn't name the Wallabies team. But the Fijian public could....they are close relatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Keith Fowler Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr Frisky said: Are you mad Roy Keane is by far the best pundit on TV on any sport. I like him he's entertaining. Also an RL fan, as are a few former footballers. It would be good to figure out how to do something with that. I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I think I saw every one of these tries, was an amazing season for him at the back end of his careerr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 It really is criminal that Ellery hasn’t been actively involved with the game in this country for over a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 8 hours ago, M j M said: I think I saw every one of these tries, was an amazing season for him at the back end of his careerr. Leeds had a fair old team at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Davo5 said: It really is criminal that Ellery hasn’t been actively involved with the game in this country for over a decade. In what way ? , He coached for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinking Jimmy Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 On 29/08/2020 at 23:15, Rupert Prince said: Gill was part of an epic event on tv when he scored a hat trick(?) against Leeds. John Atkinson, pretty usefull himself, suffered. Colin Welland did a little documentary I think. I think that was Green Vigo in 1977. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jinking Jimmy said: I think that was Green Vigo in 1977. Thank you. Yes you are correct. It may be I'm dreaming or seeing things, but i believe either up thread or elsewhere someone else corrected me. In any event it was a spactacular try. Amongst others about Gill himself was a try I believe he scored at Knowlesly Rd. A long fizzing miss out pass from Brett Kenny. A pass so long that Gill was not in the TV frame when he caught it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Davo5 said: It really is criminal that Ellery hasn’t been actively involved with the game in this country for over a decade. He is involved in the Man of Steel weekly voting and presented the trophy at Wembley a few years ago. He has also appeared as a very good pundit on Sky this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, LeeF said: He is involved in the Man of Steel weekly voting and presented the trophy at Wembley a few years ago. He has also appeared as a very good pundit on Sky this season Indeed. Hanley is chairman on the Man of Steel voting panel. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinking Jimmy Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Rupert Prince said: Thank you. Yes you are correct. It may be I'm dreaming or seeing things, but i believe either up thread or elsewhere someone else corrected me. In any event it was a spactacular try. Amongst others about Gill himself was a try I believe he scored at Knowlesly Rd. A long fizzing miss out pass from Brett Kenny. A pass so long that Gill was not in the TV frame when he caught it. Henderson Gill was a special player and a great character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigan Riversider Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 People tend to forget that Ellery was a fine number 6 until he made the transition to become the greatest number 13 ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 afraid if offiah and hanley were at playing age these days then offiah would never have come over from ru as they are now pro and hanley would prob be a full time nrl player and personality - if people want to look at reasons modern sl is void of talent and character there are a lot more factors than sky tv see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopdog Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 People also forget when he was Wigan , Leeds and GB captain he very rarely spoke to the media and contributed nothing off the field, often refusing to give interviews. Having said that still the best player I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 30/12/2020 at 20:55, Clogiron said: If you held a survey of the general public now of Rugby League players these 2 would be the names that would be most prominent, but that's what you get for selling your soul to a satellite pay channel, it might finance the game at present but there's nothing super about Super League in terms of personalities or recognition by the public at large, the game has disappeared off the radar for most of the population. Sam Burgess, Sir Kev and Peacock's faces and names are known amongst 'sports fans' down this way (basing this on non RL specific work/pub colleagues)...... Not sure many would be able to connect the names to faces but there you go... . Peacock from his CC stuff for the Beeb probably .... A lot would again know the face of Nobby/Robbie-Paul too Among my RU team mates about a third are nailed on RL fans.... SL and NRL.... All mostly southern with some Irish/Welsh chucked in For all the lamenting people do on here about the 90s Wigan side being the last time RL was known nationally - I just don't think it's true.....whenever I bring up with new non rugby people I'm a RL fan they are as likely to bring up the Rhinos period of dominance as much as Wigan's. Terrestrial CC games and internationals make a mark down here, loads of people watch and talk to me about it who are not 'rugby' fans. Plenty that enjoy the weekend Sky NRL stuff too This is despite ALL sport's personalities becoming less visible/well known in the general publics view in my opinion..... I'd wager most people would know have known a lot of the faces in the England soccer team in say 2004......i bet the general public would be much less likely to know as many now We need to stop beating ourselves up.... RL is an amazing sport/spectacle/drama...... Class will prevail. We will survive and thrive long long into the future Remember it's TGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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