Attendances (Multiple Merged Threads)

[meast]

6 hours ago, Josef K said:

It’ll be interesting what the gates will be for CC-QF matches, are the clubs making it a bit cheaper than a league fixture ?. 

Hull wanted to charge £25

Huddersfield said no, make it £15

Hull wouldn't agree to that and insisted on £25, which is £4 more than a regular Giants home game.

Eventually it was the RFL who set the £18 price.

Ticket sales apparently not good.

[M j M]

16 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Oh yeah good point (though it was due to Saints fans travelling in big numbers). 

If by that you mean around a tenth of the crowd were from St Helens then yes, you could interpret it that way if you wanted to.

[EggFace]

On 06/04/2022 at 20:53, johnh1 said:

My bad. My eyesight is getting worse in my old age!

Should of went to Specsavers.

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

On 05/04/2022 at 12:37, gingerjon said:

Crowds at Plough Lane appear to be about 1/3 of Ealing crowds.

But it's fine because plenty of people who aren't Broncos fans told us that it's what was needed.

Everything, literally everything, that happened since the move was announced was predictable and predicted.

Yup, spot on, it’s played out exactly as we predicted. Where’s Man of Kent? 

[Anita Bath]

2 hours ago, meast said:

Hull wanted to charge £25

Huddersfield said no, make it £15

Hull wouldn't agree to that and insisted on £25, which is £4 more than a regular Giants home game.

Eventually it was the RFL who set the £18 price.

Ticket sales apparently not good.

Sad reflection on our game when folks are put off by 18quid admission price for QF of our world famous Cup competition.

 

Problem is once teams do discounted prices for the cup it becomes expected/the norm. We are now in a downward spiral for cup prices . . . well done RFL. 

[theswanmcr]

2 minutes ago, Anita Bath said:

Sad reflection on our game when folks are put off by 18quid admission price for QF of our world famous Cup competition.

 

Problem is once teams do discounted prices for the cup it becomes expected/the norm. We are now in a downward spiral for cup prices . . . well done RFL. 

God the RFL get it in the neck with everything. They’ve tried to be the neutral ref here and appease both clubs (who couldn’t agree between them), while also trying to incentivise crowd numbers. You’re criticising them for setting a reduced price, others will criticise them for not insisting on the cheapest. They really can’t win here.

[Cameron Highlander]

2 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Yup, spot on, it’s played out exactly as we predicted. Where’s Man of Kent? 

Counting empty seats and cardboard cut-outs at Lamport Stadium......

[langpark]

4 hours ago, theswanmcr said:

God the RFL get it in the neck with everything. They’ve tried to be the neutral ref here and appease both clubs (who couldn’t agree between them), while also trying to incentivise crowd numbers. You’re criticising them for setting a reduced price, others will criticise them for not insisting on the cheapest. They really can’t win here.

You must be new around here

Edited April 8 by langpark

[ShropshireBull]

6 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

Sad reflection on our game when folks are put off by 18quid admission price for QF of our world famous Cup competition.

 

Problem is once teams do discounted prices for the cup it becomes expected/the norm. We are now in a downward spiral for cup prices . . . well done RFL. 

Maybe people are just put off by that stadium. 

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

9 hours ago, meast said:

RFL who set the £18 price.

Ticket sales apparently not good.

 

7 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

Sad reflection on our game when folks are put off by 18quid admission price for QF of our world famous Cup competition.

 

Problem is once teams do discounted prices for the cup it becomes expected/the norm. We are now in a downward spiral for cup prices . . . well done RFL. 

The cup needs to move to a group format, where tickets for home games can be sold as part of the season ticket. Attendances have being atrocious and declining for a long time. Move to 4 groups of 5 teams, the winner of each group progresses to the Semi Final of the Cup.

[Saint Toppy]

11 hours ago, M j M said:

They managed it literally six days ago.

Ah but you can't count that, Its Saints who always bring a good away following, so it obviously skews the attendance figures 

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

 

The cup needs to move to a group format, where tickets for home games can be sold as part of the season ticket. Attendances have being atrocious and declining for a long time. Move to 4 groups of 5 teams, the winner of each group progresses to the Semi Final of the Cup.

A group system would be no more attractive than knock out, less so in fact. 

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

15 minutes ago, Eddie said:

A group system would be no more attractive than knock out, less so in fact. 

If the games are included in season ticket sales, which could be sold at a higher price as they’d include more home games, attendances would match Super League games attendances. Something needs to change, cup attendances are absolutely shocking, the alternative is to scrap the cup completely imo. 

[Eddie]

17 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

If the games are included in season ticket sales, which could be sold at a higher price as they’d include more home games, attendances would match Super League games attendances. Something needs to change, cup attendances are absolutely shocking, the alternative is to scrap the cup completely imo. 

The cup final is great, it would be ridiculous to scrap it. 
 

Anyway if role don’t want to go to the cup games why would they pay more for a season ticket that included cup games? The cup would be made more attractive if we had a 14 or even 16 team SL and no loop fixtures. 

Edited April 8 by Eddie

[Tommygilf]

46 minutes ago, Eddie said:

The cup final is great, it would be ridiculous to scrap it. 
 

Anyway if role don’t want to go to the cup games why would they pay more for a season ticket that included cup games? The cup would be made more attractive if we had a 14 or even 16 team SL and no loop fixtures. 

They pay for loop fixtures currently tbf. Cup Group games would at least present a different competition.

[Eddie]

41 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

They pay for loop fixtures currently tbf. Cup Group games would at least present a different competition.

They would but clearly, as the shockingly low Warrington v Wakefield cup attendance indicated, people are bored of seeing the same teams all the time. I can’t see that changing until there are a couple more teams in SL, or preferably four more.

[Tommygilf]

7 minutes ago, Eddie said:

They would but clearly, as the shockingly low Warrington v Wakefield cup attendance indicated, people are bored of seeing the same teams all the time. I can’t see that changing until there are a couple more teams in SL, or preferably four more.

True, but that was still a significantly lower crowd than they would get for a loop fixture of the same game.

I've said before (and I'm by no means the first, credit to @Dave T) that ticket buying habits are one of the main factors in affecting crowds here.

One off purchases have to be "worth it", right now the earlier rounds of the cup aren't generally that. Including guaranteed home games in the cup that can be sold in season tickets, either through group fixtures, home and away legs for certain rounds, or otherwise, seems a logical commercial decision based on that.

Edited April 8 by Tommygilf

[ShropshireBull]

8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

True, but that was still a significantly lower crowd than they would get for a loop fixture of the same game.

I've said before (and I'm by no means the first, credit to @Dave T) that ticket buying habits are one of the main factors in affecting crowds here.

One off purchases have to be "worth it", right now the earlier rounds of the cup aren't generally that. Including guaranteed home games in the cup that can be sold in season tickets, either through group fixtures, home and away legs for certain rounds, or otherwise, seems a logical commercial decision based on that.

I'd like to see 14 team SL as the same teams repeated I dont think helps are sport. For Challenge Cup have the SL enter in final 32 and have them go away.  

Just gives clubs outside SL a connection back to the cup,puts them in the spotlight and if there is only one shock  (Champ side beats a poor playing SL side) you have your narrative for that round and the next. 

[Leyther_Matt]

50 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

True, but that was still a significantly lower crowd than they would get for a loop fixture of the same game.

I've said before (and I'm by no means the first, credit to @Dave T) that ticket buying habits are one of the main factors in affecting crowds here.

One off purchases have to be "worth it", right now the earlier rounds of the cup aren't generally that. Including guaranteed home games in the cup that can be sold in season tickets, either through group fixtures, home and away legs for certain rounds, or otherwise, seems a logical commercial decision based on that.

I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s the buying process, but more a rugby/life balance if such a thing exists. Fans will get their calendar for a year and set aside a minimum of 13 weekends (more if they go to away games too), setting aside the full weekend to allow for the full weekend to cover for TV switches.

There are only so many shift swaps, family favours and the like that people can get away with, and so only knowing a fortnight before (or less in most cases this season) when or where a game is going to take place is a big ask for so many people. Yes, I think there is a financial aspect too - £50+ generally for two adults and two kids just for tickets before you even get to fuel/food - but the unreliable scheduling certainly can’t be overlooked either.

[dkw]

12 hours ago, theswanmcr said:

God the RFL get it in the neck with everything. They’ve tried to be the neutral ref here and appease both clubs (who couldn’t agree between them), while also trying to incentivise crowd numbers. You’re criticising them for setting a reduced price, others will criticise them for not insisting on the cheapest. They really can’t win here.

His post summed up many RL fans attitude unfortunately, it really is boring seeing them just blame the authorities for every little thing.

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, Leyther_Matt said:

I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s the buying process, but more a rugby/life balance if such a thing exists. Fans will get their calendar for a year and set aside a minimum of 13 weekends (more if they go to away games too), setting aside the full weekend to allow for the full weekend to cover for TV switches.

There are only so many shift swaps, family favours and the like that people can get away with, and so only knowing a fortnight before (or less in most cases this season) when or where a game is going to take place is a big ask for so many people. Yes, I think there is a financial aspect too - £50+ generally for two adults and two kids just for tickets before you even get to fuel/food - but the unreliable scheduling certainly can’t be overlooked either.

That is true, yet football clubs who play 23+ home fixtures a year don’t struggle to get crowds in. I know football and RL aren’t comparable in most respects but the time taken to go to a game is. 

[whatmichaelsays]

3 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

If the games are included in season ticket sales, which could be sold at a higher price as they’d include more home games, attendances would match Super League games attendances. Something needs to change, cup attendances are absolutely shocking, the alternative is to scrap the cup completely imo. 

If we're just bundling in the CC cup with season tickets, what's the point (commercially at least) in playing it in the first place? 

Surely the aim should to be to make the cup something that people want to pay for? 

[theswanmcr]

31 minutes ago, whatmichaelsays said:

If we're just bundling in the CC cup with season tickets, what's the point (commercially at least) in playing it in the first place? 

Surely the aim should to be to make the cup something that people want to pay for? 

A season ticket isn’t really a season ticket currently though… it is in effect a League Match Ticket Book (LMTB as old Man United fans will remember).

You could include it with some clever pricing/marketing to make it feel like you are getting ‘free’ entry to all cup games as a bonus. Ideally though you need cross club agreement and losing league  loop fixtures.

Maybe you pay for two CC games and you could use these home or away? Anyone who uses at least one of those tickets gets half-price for Semi-Final - use both and you get a free ticket? Loads of ways you could try new ideas.

 

[Leyther_Matt]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

That is true, yet football clubs who play 23+ home fixtures a year don’t struggle to get crowds in. I know football and RL aren’t comparable in most respects but the time taken to go to a game is. 

But, by an large, those 23+ home fixtures are set in stone from up to 7 months beforehand so you have time to work around those rather than specifically the cup games being discussed that can be 10 days notice or less. There’s also less of a pressure, conceived or other, to commit every week and do every game when compared to RL.

[Tommygilf]

2 hours ago, whatmichaelsays said:

If we're just bundling in the CC cup with season tickets, what's the point (commercially at least) in playing it in the first place? 

Surely the aim should to be to make the cup something that people want to pay for? 

People (not enough I know) seem to be willing for the very latter stages, at least the Final and SF. We'll see how the QFs do this weekend.

I think more people would take paying in advance for a game included in Season tickets, than would buy a one off cup game. It would remove that hurdle of paying for one off games that most currently don't do.