IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[The Blues Ox]

28 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

Gradings can’t be finalised until after the playoffs. Not sure what the benefit of a ‘provisional’ grading would be before that as all clubs playing performance has to be averaged over 3 complete years and ranked from 1-35.

Will give teams chance to "tweak" things as well if they are close to threasholds I would imagine.

[Archie Gordon]

Provisional gradings shouldn't be any kind of reveal. Clubs know their score throughout the year - they are the ones who have the numbers 24/7! It seems that the provisional bit is just making sure that no club is shocked that they have racked up a different score to the one they expect - like Cas last year.

[The Blues Ox]

10 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

The game's clearly in rude health.....

Madness isn't it. The idea to raise the profile and standards in the game and all it turned out you have to do is count your ground as an asset on the books and you can get a Grade A.  

With over the half the teams in Super League expected to be Grade A and the game a bit of a shambles, it really shows that its a well thought out system.

[dkw]

52 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Does he know the difference between provisional and official?

He doesnt know his Ass from his Elbow that cretin.

[gingerjon]

5 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

Provisional gradings shouldn't be any kind of reveal. Clubs know their score throughout the year - they are the ones who have the numbers 24/7! It seems that the provisional bit is just making sure that no club is shocked that they have racked up a different score to the one they expect - like Cas last year.

Pretty much. It sounds more like it's "we're just checking that our adding up and your adding up are in the same spot before it goes to the audit".

[dkw]

9 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Pretty much. It sounds more like it's "we're just checking that our adding up and your adding up are in the same spot before it goes to the audit".

Its probably exactly that, allow clubs to review their expected score and highlight anything they believe to be inaccurate. Amazing that even this is apparently is something terrible they are doing, its pretty standard stuff. If they just flat out announced the scores without clubs getting a chance to review them no doubt that would have been terrible too.

Dammed if you do......

[Wollo Wollo Wayoo]

17 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Madness isn't it. The idea to raise the profile and standards in the game and all it turned out you have to do is count your ground as an asset on the books and you can get a Grade A.  

With over the half the teams in Super League expected to be Grade A and the game a bit of a shambles, it really shows that its a well thought out system.

Over half?  If its so easy that Cas can blag a grade A isn't there a possibility that we may end up with over 12 clubs scoring sufficiently?

[Gooleboy]

1 hour ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

Over half?  If its so easy that Cas can blag a grade A isn't there a possibility that we may end up with over 12 clubs scoring sufficiently?

If Cas are a grade A, Cornwall might think they are in with a chance!

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

1 hour ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

Over half?  If its so easy that Cas can blag a grade A isn't there a possibility that we may end up with over 12 clubs scoring sufficiently?

I'm expecting there to be at least 10. I think Hull are forecast to drop down to a B given their likely finishing position - unless they've gained elsewhere. 

[RP London]

14 hours ago, bobbruce said:

That’s the date we need to remember. 

I can't imagine we'll miss it. twitter will light up from certain clubs who will be outraged they get the score everyone (including themselves) expects.

[RP London]

Double post

Edited September 13 by RP London

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

Over half?  If its so easy that Cas can blag a grade A isn't there a possibility that we may end up with over 12 clubs scoring sufficiently?

I think it shows just how low the bar is set to gain an 'A' Grade, if IMG last the contract that will be a 12 years connection so why on earth basically have the majority of SL clubs just treading water in maintaining the low level base line Top Score, shouldn't it be the 'carrot and stick' approach to keep improving.

One of the main grumbles by people on this site is that if we stand still we are actually going backwards. Is maintaining the low levels actually improvement?

[Worzel]

22 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

I think it shows just how low the bar is set to gain an 'A' Grade, if IMG last the contract that will be a 12 years connection so why on earth basically have the majority of SL clubs just treading water in maintaining the low level base line Top Score, shouldn't it be the 'carrot and stick' approach to keep improving.

One of the main grumbles by people on this site is that if we stand still we are actually going backwards. Is maintaining the low levels actually improvement?

Don't forget what the grades are really for... to move us slowly to a closed league. 

The faster we get 12 A's, the sooner that happens!

[Harry Stottle]

44 minutes ago, Worzel said:

Don't forget what the grades are really for... to move us slowly to a closed league. 

The faster we get 12 A's, the sooner that happens!

Then why go through all this charade, like last time just 'Cherry Pick' who is wanted and who is surplus to requirement.

The sooner the closed shop happens officially, the sooner the Championship goes into decline AGAIN.

Edited September 13 by Harry Stottle

[17 stone giant]

I remember at school when too many kids were getting A's, they introduced the A* as well. Maybe that's what IMG will do.

[JohnM]

I thinks the mods should cancel their holidays, have ambulances be put on standby and St John Ambulance be at the ready for the announcement. I really fear for the health of some contributors who may find the whole thing overwhelming.

Edited September 13 by JohnM

[Trojan Horse]

1 hour ago, Worzel said:

Don't forget what the grades are really for... to move us slowly to a closed league. 

The faster we get 12 A's, the sooner that happens!

 Is it not the case once they reach 13 grade A clubs the league will be expanded to accommodate them and we see the SL expand? 

[north yorks trinity]

13 minutes ago, Trojan Horse said:

 Is it not the case once they reach 13 grade A clubs the league will be expanded to accommodate them and we see the SL expand? 

That was my understanding. I just wonder how a club that starts outside SL can get a grade A. They'll be up against it on various fronts especially with the much lower media profile afforded to non SL clubs.

If the genuine desire is to increase the number of well run clubs capable of competing at the top level, I'm sure a way could be found to do this. Not convinced the current system has much chance though.

[Damien]

5 hours ago, dkw said:

Dammed if you do......

This is pretty much the case with most of these posts slagging off the process and IMG. Let's face it even if we kept everything the same many of the same people would still moan.

[Worzel]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Then why go through all this charade, like last time just 'Cherry Pick' who is wanted and who is surplus to requirement.

The sooner the closed shop happens officially, the sooner the Championship goes into decline AGAIN.

Because they needed turkeys to vote for Christmas. They've done that now. 

[Worzel]

41 minutes ago, Trojan Horse said:

 Is it not the case once they reach 13 grade A clubs the league will be expanded to accommodate them and we see the SL expand? 

I think the concept is more that if we have a 13th a-grade club then they would be SL-qualified, but would only be invited to join when commercially it was value-added. 

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, Worzel said:

Because they needed turkeys to vote for Christmas. They've done that now. 

You have to make the fishing less obvious.

[Trojan Horse]

3 minutes ago, Worzel said:

I think the concept is more that if we have a 13th a-grade club then they would be SL-qualified, but would only be invited to join when commercially it was value-added. 

I didn’t think that was the case. I’m sure ING had said A grade will be confirmed in SL and league would grow beyond 12 teams. Perhaps there may be a limit on that of 16 highest. 
 

That doesn’t make much sense to me because if a team is grade A then they surely are deemed to add value as per the A grading? 

[Click]

2 minutes ago, Trojan Horse said:

I didn’t think that was the case. I’m sure ING had said A grade will be confirmed in SL and league would grow beyond 12 teams. Perhaps there may be a limit on that of 16 highest. 
 

That doesn’t make much sense to me because if a team is grade A then they surely are deemed to add value as per the A grading? 

I  believe the initial understanding was that if we had more than 12 'A grade' clubs then SL would be expanded.

But I also seem to recall an interview about a month ago with someone who made it sound like it wasn't an automatic expansion of SL and it would come with further things that needed to be decided.

[Trojan Horse]

31 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:

That was my understanding. I just wonder how a club that starts outside SL can get a grade A. They'll be up against it on various fronts especially with the much lower media profile afforded to non SL clubs.

If the genuine desire is to increase the number of well run clubs capable of competing at the top level, I'm sure a way could be found to do this. Not convinced the current system has much chance though.

This is why I believe there needs to be a restructure of the championship and league one where they merge at some point. Some teams highest grading to go up to SL making a 16 team league and the championship expanded to accommodate some league 1 teams. Then look to gain a tv deal for the championship in its own respect so that that can grow as its own competition. 
 

That would be a few years away perhaps.