War of the Roses (Again)

[gingerjon]

8 hours ago, sam4731 said:

No it’s been played since 2014. It’s been on hiatus since COVID but has made a comeback this year. Lancashire won in Dewsbury earlier in the season.

Short thread from this forum about it at the time: 

 

[Damien]

12 hours ago, sam4731 said:

"It works at every other level but it couldn't possibly work in SL"

Who'd have thought that different things work at different levels and have different success criteria.

[Tommygilf]

16 hours ago, Hopie said:

Good idea : )

This would make it effectively a trial match, which would be alright but not the British SOO some would like either. 

[SouthBedfordshireFan]

In Australia there is the State of Origin series. 

Why isn't there a similar thing in England given that rugby league is primarily played in Lancashire and Yorkshire?

Thank you.

[sam4731]

War of the Roses Thread #2734

[Barley Mow]

This was played regularly in the past. There is also regular talk of resurrecting it and a lot of threads on here about it.

You will be able to find out about the history of the games online pretty easily and here is the most recent relevant thread (yours could well get merged with it):

 

[Eddie]

I have a strong sense of Deja vu. 

[Father Gascoigne]

38 minutes ago, SouthBedfordshireFan said:

In Australia there is the State of Origin series. 

Why isn't there a similar thing in England given that rugby league is primarily played in Lancashire and Yorkshire?

Thank you.

If it was a money-spinner on the level of State of Origin, it'd still be played today. 

[dkw]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

I have a strong sense of Deja vu. 

Again?

[Griff]

4 hours ago, SouthBedfordshireFan said:

In Australia there is the State of Origin series. 

Why isn't there a similar thing in England given that rugby league is primarily played in Lancashire and Yorkshire?

Thank you.

I can't imagine.

[MatthewWoody]

I'd like it. 

It won't happen. 

[The Future is League]

4 hours ago, SouthBedfordshireFan said:

In Australia there is the State of Origin series. 

Why isn't there a similar thing in England given that rugby league is primarily played in Lancashire and Yorkshire?

Thank you.

Its been done and it didn't get us any nearer to beating the Aussies in a test series or world cup final 

[MatthewWoody]

Nor will playing France...

[Hopie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_Act_1972

[JohnM]

FFS.   Not this old chestnut. No.

[Barley Mow]

22 minutes ago, Hopie said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_Act_1972

I'm loathe to get dragged down this rabbit hole again, but if your point is that Lancashire is no longer relevant to RL heartland areas - everybody is well aware that in RL terms a reference to 'Lancashire' means the traditional county rather than the ceremonial, shrieval or administrative counties of today.

The latest Government guidance on historic counties (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/celebrating-the-historic-counties-of-england/celebrating-the-historic-counties-of-england) says:

"The legislation that currently defines counties for the purposes of the administration of local government is set out in the Local Government Act 1972. That legislation abolished previous administrative counties (those established by the Local Government Act 1933).

Section 216 of the 1972 Act also substituted the new counties (i.e. those established under the 1972 Act) for counties of any other description for the purposes of commissions of the peace and the law relating to justices of the peace, magistrates’ courts, the custos rotulorum, lieutenants, sheriffs and connected matters.

The Act did not specifically abolish historic counties, but they no longer exist for the purposes of the administration of local government, although some historic county areas may be coterminous with non-metropolitan county areas established by the 1972 Act.

When the 1972 Act came into effect, it was said of the new councils created:

They are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change."

Edited October 31, 2024 by Barley Mow

[Hopie]

2 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

I'm loathe to get dragged down this rabbit hole again, but if your point is that Lancashire is no longer relevant to RL heartland areas - everybody is well aware that in RL terms a reference to 'Lancashire' means the traditional county rather than the ceremonial, shrieval or administrative counties of today.

The latest Government guidance on historic counties (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/celebrating-the-historic-counties-of-england/celebrating-the-historic-counties-of-england) says:

"The legislation that currently defines counties for the purposes of the administration of local government is set out in the Local Government Act 1972. That legislation abolished previous administrative counties (those established by the Local Government Act 1933).

Section 216 of the 1972 Act also substituted the new counties (i.e. those established under the 1972 Act) for counties of any other description for the purposes of commissions of the peace and the law relating to justices of the peace, magistrates’ courts, the custos rotulorum, lieutenants, sheriffs and connected matters.

The Act did not specifically abolish historic counties, but they no longer exist for the purposes of the administration of local government, although some historic county areas may be coterminous with non-metropolitan county areas established by the 1972 Act.

When the 1972 Act came into effect, it was said of the new councils created:

They are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change."

That is absolutely not my point, you can see my point in the other thread, I was just posting a reference to one of the greatest hits of this subject before it gets locked and merged.

[Eddie]

We‘re well overdue a ‘why isn’t there rugby league’ in Liverpool thread as well. 

[SouthBedfordshireFan]

4 minutes ago, Eddie said:

We‘re well overdue a ‘why isn’t there rugby league’ in Liverpool thread as well. 

I was gonna start that one along with one about Manchester especially considering potentially historically Manchester could be regarded as a rugby town.

[Eddie]

30 minutes ago, SouthBedfordshireFan said:

I was gonna start that one along with one about Manchester especially considering potentially historically Manchester could be regarded as a rugby town.

Please do  

[sam4731]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

We‘re well overdue a ‘why isn’t there rugby league’ in Liverpool thread as well. 

Fire up the 'maybe SL should be two conferences of 10' thread too.

[eal]

Surely playing France on Bastille Day annually deserves a mention also?

[Eddie]

I miss taking about Euro XIIIs. 

[HawkMan]

A rather redundant concept, might as well go back 1000 years, 

Kingdom of Mercia 

       v Kingdom of Northumbria 

[17 stone giant]

4 hours ago, Barley Mow said:

some historic county areas may be coterminous with non-metropolitan county areas

At least I've learned a new word - coterminous - so it wasn't a complete waste reading this updated thread.