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Any reason St Helens and Hull Fc don't have any second name?

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For me, there is nothing worse than 150-year-old clubs feeling the need to conform to the American trend of (usually) picking a random animal to name the team after!

I was very happy to read a couple of years ago that the "Hunslet Hawks" voted to drop the "Hawks" and go back to being Hunslet RLFC.  Suits them much better in my opinion.  I think there might have been another club that did this recently too (Halifax perhaps?), cannot remember which one(s).

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6 minutes ago, langpark said:

For me, there is nothing worse than 150-year-old clubs feeling the need to conform to the American trend of (usually) picking a random animal to name the team after!

I was very happy to read a couple of years ago that the "Hunslet Hawks" voted to drop the "Hawks" and go back to being Hunslet RLFC.  Suits them much better in my opinion.  I think there might have been another club that did this recently too (Halifax perhaps?), cannot remember which one(s).

Halifax dropped the Blue Sox tag, how bad was that! And I think Whitehaven were Warriors at one bit, or something similar.

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Doncaster RLFC will always be the Dons, a title they share with MKDons and AberdeenFC.

On one of the occasions they went bust, 'rag' was inserted to differentiate as they became Dragons but worse was to  come when they became Doncaster Lakers after the nearby Lakeside shopping outlet. Not only is the name artificial  but so too is the lake.

 

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1 minute ago, Gooleboy said:

Halifax dropped the Blue Sox tag, how bad was that! And I think Whitehaven were Warriors at one bit, or something similar.

When the new Oldham club was formed in 1997 they immediately dropped "Bears" which had been used for one previous season before the old club was liquidated.

Bears have absolutely no connectioin with the town of Oldham.

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Just now, RL does what Sky says said:

When the new Oldham club was formed in 1997 they immediately dropped "Bears" which had been used for one previous season before the old club was liquidated.

Bears have absolutely no connectioin with the town of Oldham.

I haven't seen any Rhinos running round Leeds either!

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1 minute ago, wiganermike said:

Huddersfield re-branded as Huddersfield Barracudas during the 80s. Not sure where that name came from.

Another one was Lancashire Lynx.

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A nickname ought to have some geographic and or historical significance.  But no matter what... the main point is to be a marketing tool.  Such things really are or ought to be important.   I mean as an analogy I suggest the point that regiments have flags, or 'colours'. On a more mundane level, companies have logos and sometimes have a 'tag line'. (anybody remember Makeson?) So the issue really is marketing.

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21 minutes ago, langpark said:

For me, there is nothing worse than 150-year-old clubs feeling the need to conform to the American trend of (usually) picking a random animal to name the team after!

Yet we keep being told that us who think that things in the old days were better are just looking at times gone by through rose-tinted glasses and we are not "with it" !

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3 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

A nickname ought to have some geographic and or historical significance.  But no matter what... the main point is to be a marketing tool.  Such things really are or ought to be important.   I mean as an analogy I suggest the point that regiments have flags, or 'colours'. On a more mundane level, companies have logos and sometimes have a 'tag line'. (anybody remember Makeson?) So the issue really is marketing.

Makeson Stout is still available.

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16 minutes ago, Tattersfieldtreiziste said:

Doncaster RLFC will always be the Dons, a title they share with MKDons and AberdeenFC.

On one of the occasions they went bust, 'rag' was inserted to differentiate as they became Dragons but worse was to  come when they became Doncaster Lakers after the nearby Lakeside shopping outlet. Not only is the name artificial  but so too is the lake.

 

I thought Doncaster Dragons would have been a better marketing tool and a way to get away from the being the Dons and all the negativity that goes with the name over the years, fresh name fresh start especially with the local amateur clubs.

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Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

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2 minutes ago, Marauder said:

You never played against Martin then.

No not had that pleasure. Seen a few Hippos on the Otley Run though.

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17 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

A nickname ought to have some geographic and or historical significance.  But no matter what... the main point is to be a marketing tool.  Such things really are or ought to be important.   I mean as an analogy I suggest the point that regiments have flags, or 'colours'. On a more mundane level, companies have logos and sometimes have a 'tag line'. (anybody remember Makeson?) So the issue really is marketing.

Those reasons must have been the downfall of Mansfield Marksmen then.

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38 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

A nickname ought to have some geographic and or historical significance.  But no matter what... the main point is to be a marketing tool.  Such things really are or ought to be important.   I mean as an analogy I suggest the point that regiments have flags, or 'colours'. On a more mundane level, companies have logos and sometimes have a 'tag line'. (anybody remember Makeson?) So the issue really is marketing.

Mackeson used to sponsor a RL competition in the 1960s. Every month of the season a cash award was given to the team with the best scoring/disciplinary record while an overall award was given at the end of the season. Here is Oldham receiving an award in 1963 (the flag was displayed at the ground of the current award holders) ...

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1 hour ago, RL does what Sky says said:

If any team to be given that name it would have to be "Owldam" .. that was the orignal name of the town after it was formed near a wood where many owls nested. In fact, the mascot for Oldham Athletic is an Owl.

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Also Sheffield Wednesday FC are known as "The Owls".

Or maybe there could be a new team in Owldershot - proper expansion. 

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1 hour ago, Rupert Prince said:

A nickname ought to have some geographic and or historical significance.  But no matter what... the main point is to be a marketing tool.  Such things really are or ought to be important.   I mean as an analogy I suggest the point that regiments have flags, or 'colours'. On a more mundane level, companies have logos and sometimes have a 'tag line'. (anybody remember Makeson?) So the issue really is marketing.

Not at all. Look at many world famous American sports teams names have no connection to the Town or City. Look at SLs most successful teams all have a nickname or moniker. Coincidence? Marketing to a junior audience want their pic with a Bronco Bull or Rhino. Its what they love. Do you think a 7 year old gives a ###### about relevance to the area?

"Daddy daddy I dont want my picture taken with that Bull. Is anybody dressed up as a wool merchant from the 1800s daddy." Do me a favour.

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30 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said:

Not at all. Look at many world famous American sports teams names have no connection to the Town or City. Look at SLs most successful teams all have a nickname or moniker. Coincidence? Marketing to a junior audience want their pic with a Bronco Bull or Rhino. Its what they love. Do you think a 7 year old gives a ###### about relevance to the area?

"Daddy daddy I dont want my picture taken with that Bull. Is anybody dressed up as a wool merchant from the 1800s daddy." Do me a favour.

Conversely, a lot of SL's most sucessful teams were already the most successful before they added a nickname to their original one while some long-standing teams who already had a connection with such names (Hornets, Lions) are not now currently among the top flight.

I am not against clubs having a nickname but I agree it should be something which in some way connects with the town. 

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48 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said:

Not at all. Look at many world famous American sports teams names have no connection to the Town or City. Look at SLs most successful teams all have a nickname or moniker. Coincidence? Marketing to a junior audience want their pic with a Bronco Bull or Rhino. Its what they love. Do you think a 7 year old gives a ###### about relevance to the area?

"Daddy daddy I dont want my picture taken with that Bull. Is anybody dressed up as a wool merchant from the 1800s daddy." Do me a favour.

Indeed. Little kids have no concept of geography, but they can and do latch onto a colourful icon on a shirt or a cartoon mascot, making them a lifelong fan of a team long before they discover that team is nowhere near to where they are.

But perish the thought RFL copy the Americans. What do the Yanks know about sports marketing?

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Mansfield's 'Marksmen' wasn't just an exercise in alliteration, but a naming deal with Mansfield Brewery, makers of a lager called Marksman, ( in turn i think some kind of Robin Hood archery reference).

The fear some have around 'branded' sports teams is their portability and ability to move to a new city with a bigger market, as in NFL.

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As regards "Hull FC", for the umpteenth time on here, Hull were the first professional sports club in the city and so, were able to call themselves "Hull Football Club" as a business, hence "Hull FC".

That was in 1865 and Hull KR followed in 1888 with those latecomers Hull City in 1904.

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13 minutes ago, Old Frightful said:

As regards "Hull FC", for the umpteenth time on here, Hull were the first professional sports club in the city and so, were able to call themselves "Hull Football Club" as a business, hence "Hull FC".

That was in 1865 and Hull KR followed in 1888 with those latecomers Hull City in 1904.

Yes, that is understood, however, for example, teams such as Halifax, Hunslet, Whitehaven are not referred to with an addition of "RLFC" to their name.

The Oldham RL club had been formed in 1876 under the name of "Oldham Football Club" and had that name until 1995 yet were always just referred to as "Oldham" and not "Oldham FC", so why Hull ?

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7 hours ago, Damien said:

I remember reading various articles at the time saying that it was and a couple of years later actually spoke to Peter Deakin at Bradford, Dave Swanson at Wigan the person over marketing at Leeds, whose name escapes me, quite extensively on what they had implemented and why as part of my dissertation. Peter Deakin was great and the Leeds person was great. Both full of great ideas and plans and it was fairly obvious why those clubs had the success with the name change and associated marketing that they had. I cant say I was that impressed with Dave Swanson or what Wigan were doing and it perhaps shows that it was never embraced there in the same way.

I'd love to know what Leeds claimed they were doing to bed the name down. It was a 100% Ronnie the Rhino strategy, beyond that it just happened - and they were lucky that it coincided with three seasons of improving fortunes which helped rebuild crowds.

Personally I still dislike the Rhinos name intensely and have never and probably will never use it.

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