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1 minute ago, Barley Mow said:

A Cat B team won't be able to decide how to recruit (or even who to retain) until the decision is made on their division for the following year. With on-field performance part of the assessment, that decision couldn't be made until after the end of the season, leaving them at a huge disadvantage in recruiting.

Yes this is dumb, instead of one promoted club being at disadvantage, we just massively disadvantage every non A team. Ridiculous. Just make it franchising and provided they dont go bust lock them in so they can grow. Worst part for me.

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10 minutes ago, Dave T said:

It all feels sensible to me. 

Things I like:

1. Expansion strategy

2. Identified growth targets as France, women's and London

3. No hard numbers for too division and silly commitments to promotion that conflict with grading like last time. 

4. Focus on branding, matchdays as events, and key calendar dates and peaks throughout the year. 

He good to see more detail, but a lot of this seems sensible. 

Cautiously positive, I think.

The permanently open door as opposed to three-year closed drawbridge is a big plus.

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1 minute ago, Live after death said:

Well Leigh will be in anyway, Keighley probably fancy their chances for a franchise so Fev may be against.

Of SL, no Keighley wont because despite being perfect last time they were told to do one. So no I think they vote this down. 

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Just now, Ackroman said:

Magic weekend  - challenge cup quarters

Awful idea, as it’s been since it was very first mooted. Not knowing who is playing or when they’re playing as close as four weeks from the event is a truly shocking idea. 

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I've got to read this (and think it through) before I can make detailed comment and come to any conclusions.

I'm already excited by the idea that clubs (B & C) could invest their way into the A grade list.

This is surely similar to the system in Australia.

Clubs are selected/promoted to the NRL by a detailed set of criteria.

With sufficient change and growth clubs can find their way into the top tier.

A system like this makes the path visible (with medium term growth) up the ladder, without the dog eat dog catastrophic damage done by yo-yo promotion and relegation.

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5 minutes ago, Live after death said:

I would imagine the A clubs will be the creme de la creme, Leeds Saints Wigan warrington Catalans. As they tick all the boxes and then some. Maybe then Both hull clubs as well. B’s will be clubs with lits yo improve crowds, stadium, on field performance, player development, strategic growth.

likes of Salford Huddersfield lack crowds, Cas lack ground and are competing  with 2 other Wakefield met clubs, Wakefield one new stand whilst the rest if the ground crumbles provably won’t save them. 
 

Leigh and Toulouse comfortable B’s so will be rubbing their hands.

Fev they wont want 2 never mind 3 Wakefield met teams

London no crowds, Bradford as beens never will be’s again. See Widnes, Halifax

the likes of York Newcastle Sheffield even Doncaster are strong candidates for future franchises.

Someone should get in touch with Batley and tell them not to bother turning up on Sunday then.

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25 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Yes but there is F all to play for if Licensing is in in 2024 is there? I am spending money to reach SL but if you know you wont get a license why would you bother ? 

Correct Salop, coffin, hammer and nails. The Championship will revert back to how it was when there was no P&R, apathy will set in, the guys who put money into the clubs will say "feck it, I'm off" fans will follow suit, the junior clubs with the absence of a local pro focal point will drift into obscurity which will greatly affect the production of kids to professionals, the foundations of the sport will will crack and splinter and in a short time those above will come crumbling down.

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1 minute ago, fighting irish said:

I've got to read this (and think it through) before I can make detailed comment and come to any conclusions.

I'm already excited by the idea that clubs (B & C) could invest their way into the A grade list.

This is surely similar to the system in Australia.

Clubs are selected/promoted to the NRL by a detailed set of criteria.

With sufficient change and growth clubs can find their way into the top tier.

A system like this makes the path visible (with medium term growth) up the ladder, without the dog eat dog catastrophic damage done by yo-yo promotion and relegation.

No because their aren´t clubs in NRL with a yearly axe hanging over their head when they talk to players, sponsors, supporters, coaches. 

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Just now, fighting irish said:

This is surely similar to the system in Australia.

To repeat: seriously, just go and read up on how the IMG-resourced EuroLeague basketball does it, and you'll have a very good idea of what they are trying to do here.

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1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Correct Salop, coffin, hammer and nails. The Championship will revert back to how it was when there was no P&R, apathy will set in, the guys who put money into the clubs will say "feck it, I'm off" fans will follow suit, the junior clubs with the absence of a local pro focal point will drift into obscurity which will greatly affect the production of kids to professionals, the foundations of the sport will will crack and splinter and in a short time those above will come crumbling down.

We don´t agree on much but if clubs who got burnt by licensing before feel they wont get a fair shot then yes, 100% this is what will happen. 

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1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Correct Salop, coffin, hammer and nails. The Championship will revert back to how it was when there was no P&R, apathy will set in, the guys who put money into the clubs will say "feck it, I'm off" fans will follow suit, the junior clubs with the absence of a local pro focal point will drift into obscurity which will greatly affect the production of kids to professionals, the foundations of the sport will will crack and splinter and in a short time those above will come crumbling down.

Except there is promotion and relegation?

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2 minutes ago, bromleybulldog said:

Someone should get in touch with Batley and tell them not to bother turning up on Sunday then.

Why?

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1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Correct Salop, coffin, hammer and nails. The Championship will revert back to how it was when there was no P&R, apathy will set in, the guys who put money into the clubs will say "feck it, I'm off" fans will follow suit, the junior clubs with the absence of a local pro focal point will drift into obscurity which will greatly affect the production of kids to professionals, the foundations of the sport will will crack and splinter and in a short time those above will come crumbling down.

Or the top clubs take over those areas in terms of junior clubs as they de facto have for most anyway. 

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44 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Except there is promotion and relegation?

Not to SL, I wouldnt invest in a club for the ambition of second tier part time rl and I wouldnt expect anyone else to either. The B cat just feels like a way to string people along tbh. 

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5 minutes ago, Moove said:

It sounds like that's a short term thing. Just reading they're aiming to have a top division where all clubs are grade A's, so presumably the idea is that enough B's will make the step up in a shortish period then others will only be admitted as the pot grows. Dangles a carrot for those who don't already have their house in order I guess.

Indeed it may be short term.  And it may even get us into a better position than we are now by 206/27.

But I feel that all these decisions around structure and grading systems lose sight of some of the underlying principles of what sport should be about.  And one of them is that at the start of a competition everyone should have a fair and equal chance of success.

You have to have some foundations principles that you adhere to in these situations and I think we have lost one here where the performance on the pitch is rewarded unequally between teams in the same league.

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35 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

'Category A’ clubs will be guaranteed participation in the top tier whilst ‘Category B' clubs will be re-assessed annually with the highest-ranking clubs occupying the remaining slots in the top tier.

So you can finish above a Category A team and still get removed from the top tier.

That is not what sport is about.  There have to be consequences and rewards for on field performances.

Cue 2022, in this new scenario Warrington finishing 11th would very much likely be saved in this new proposal, as you say this is not what sport is about.

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1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Correct Salop, coffin, hammer and nails. The Championship will revert back to how it was when there was no P&R, apathy will set in, the guys who put money into the clubs will say "feck it, I'm off" fans will follow suit, the junior clubs with the absence of a local pro focal point will drift into obscurity which will greatly affect the production of kids to professionals, the foundations of the sport will will crack and splinter and in a short time those above will come crumbling down.

The idea that these small clubs with about 800 fans somehow prop up the top clubs us ludicrous, do you think youngsters at Batley boys  and the likes are looking at playing for Batley, no they look at Leeds community clubs get more support from the big guns than league one clubs

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Just now, ShropshireBull said:

Not to SL, I wouldnt invest in a club for the ambition of second tier part time rl and I wouldnt expect anyone else to either. The B catergory just feels like a way to string people along tbh. 

Cat B should give clubs the ability to compete with other Bs, whilst also allowing the strongest Bs to grow into Cat A clubs.

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9 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

A Cat B team won't be able to decide how to recruit (or even who to retain) until the decision is made on their division for the following year. With on-field performance part of the assessment, that decision couldn't be made until after the end of the season, leaving them at a huge disadvantage in recruiting.

I think that's where on notice comes in. Otherwise it's short notice P&R just like now. 

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Just now, Harry Stottle said:

Cue 2022, in this new scenario Warrington finishing 11th would very much likely be saved in this new proposal, as you say this is not what sport is about.

This isn't sport Harry, its business.

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3 minutes ago, Jughead said:

Awful idea, as it’s been since it was very first mooted. Not knowing who is playing or when they’re playing as close as four weeks from the event is a truly shocking idea. 

I don't agree. For example magic quarters could involve various other showcase events around the whole game as a celebration. Ladies Final? Championship 9's. Wheelchair? 4 weeks is plenty of time for the floating fan. 

Or we just go to Hudds Salford because that's our club, which you imply is more important.

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