Dupree hands in Transfer request

[Spidey]

There’s ways and means to go about things. He’s done this twice now. Glad Salford are looking after their own interests 

[Tommygilf]

Isn't this Salford's stated model in action? Sign players to long contracts then get a good fee for them leaving to another club.

[Harry Stottle]

14 hours ago, idrewthehaggis said:

Salford rely on its supporters and the council, opposed to the typical meat factory merchants, financiers dealing with autocratic states, ambulance chasing solicitors, horse owners or construction bosses.

There is a lot of anger eminating from that post Haggis

And I can't agree with your attack on such as Bernard Guasch, Neil Hudgell, Paul Caddick, even Marwen Koukash and surprised you omitted a certain Decking Salesman.

In our game many of those who invest are local lads who apart from having done good for themselves are lifelong supporters of their club, nobody has forced these people to put their hard earned into the sport they have done it because they want to, we should be welcoming money men into the sport not seemingly discriminating against them, Salford ard doing great with the community backing but is it really the way forward, or would you prefer a millionaire backer?

 

[Harry Stottle]

18 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Isn't this Salford's stated model in action? Sign players to long contracts then get a good fee for them leaving to another club.

Leigh did it with a certain Nene Macdonald but then decided he was surplus to requirement and chose other overseas players, but as I said at the time Tommy it was Leeds doing the running in the matter, I would have held out for a transfer fee for him as he was contracted to the Leigh club.

[Tommygilf]

24 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Leigh did it with a certain Nene Macdonald but then decided he was surplus to requirement and chose other overseas players, but as I said at the time Tommy it was Leeds doing the running in the matter, I would have held out for a transfer fee for him as he was contracted to the Leigh club.

Wasn't the preseason game decided on after the transfer? Perhaps not a direct fee... And neither party seemed particularly inclined to a direct fee because of the circumstances.

Regardless Salford's model appears to be based around increasing value of players by tieing them down to contracts then selling said players to increase revenues. I don't see why it should be a surprise when those sorts of moves start to come in?

[super major]

15 hours ago, idrewthehaggis said:

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£14k came in today for the Community Share offer. That's how it will be for the "Peoples Club."

Salford rely on its supporters and the council, opposed to the typical meat factory merchants, financiers dealing with autocratic states, ambulance chasing solicitors, horse owners or construction bosses.

That £3m liability is mostly to a former owner and having been owed for more a decade,  I wonder how much urgency there is to pay it back. Probably as much as those industrial loans that various club owners generously oblige.

I am sure £175k affords as good or better.

Nationwide, John Lewis, Bayern Munich, CIS, Partick Thistle.

Erm it is a wide stretch to call partial supporter ownership "Socialism." 

But hey ho. 

 

I heard the Salford Chairman had referred to Salford as a socialist city?

Certainly capitalism rules at HKR

[David Shepherd]

15 hours ago, idrewthehaggis said:

 

Nationwide, John Lewis, Bayern Munich, CIS, Partick Thistle.

 

 

John Lewis and CIS are absolute financial basket cases. Not an example that anyone with a business brain would ever follow.

[Tommygilf]

3 minutes ago, David Shepherd said:

John Lewis and CIS are absolute financial basket cases. Not an example that anyone with a business brain would ever follow.

Quite, and Nationwide is to all intents and purposes a normal building society, bayern munich has hundreds of thousands of members, and partick thistle are hardly a success story?

[RP London]

2 minutes ago, David Shepherd said:

John Lewis and CIS are absolute financial basket cases. Not an example that anyone with a business brain would ever follow.

I was just thinking the same..

I'm also not sure about the example of Bayern Munich in a league where every club has to be majority owned by the supporters. By being better at it in a league full of it they now bring in lots of money from the Champions league which now is what helps fund everything else.. put them up in a league against the multi billionaire capitalists and they may well not do so well, very much like a Celtic and Rangers where without champions league football they are in trouble. 

[gingerjon]

Just now, RP London said:

I was just thinking the same..

I'm also not sure about the example of Bayern Munich in a league where every club has to be majority owned by the supporters. By being better at it in a league full of it they now bring in lots of money from the Champions league which now is what helps fund everything else.. put them up in a league against the multi billionaire capitalists and they may well not do so well, very much like a Celtic and Rangers where without champions league football they are in trouble. 

Rangers tried full throttle capitalism o course. That worked out very well.

[JonM]

15 hours ago, moorside roughyed said:

He played for Oldham a while back. He was way above our league. Glad he's had success.

Same at Widnes last year. I think we all recognised that he was going to join a SL club. I was very pleased to see him progress to the England setup. Salford should get the same transfer fee that Oldham & Widnes got

[RP London]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Rangers tried full throttle capitalism o course. That worked out very well.

not sure I'd call it full throttle capitalism... most capitalists understand that there has to be some form of balance in risk.. Rangers decided to experiment in stupiditism and they got what they deserved to be fair. 

and also proved the point that a few bad performances in the champions league (not making the groups and not even europa league) meant the club went pop. 

Edited May 23 by RP London

[David Shepherd]

10 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Quite, and Nationwide is to all intents and purposes a normal building society, bayern munich has hundreds of thousands of members, and partick thistle are hardly a success story?

Nationwide are run like a business. The depositors have extremely little say in how it's run. Big changes were made in the 90s when "carpet bagging" building societies that were thinking of going public was a thing.

CIS had to sell their bank for pennies on the pound because like all good socialists, they ran out of other people's money to invest in underperforming, "ethical" assets.

Edited May 23 by David Shepherd

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, RP London said:

not sure I'd call it full throttle capitalism... most capitalists understand that there has to be some form of balance in risk.. Rangers decided to experiment in stupiditism and they got what they deserved to be fair. 

and also proved the point that a few bad performances in the champions league (not making the groups and not even europa league) meant the club went pop. 

Aye, was just being facetious.

The biggest club in England by titles this decade is of course entirely state funded (however it is described) as are their nearest long term rivals. 

Socialism and capitalism are somewhat meaningless terms in sport.

[RP London]

Just now, gingerjon said:

Aye, was just being facetious.

The biggest club in England by titles this decade is of course entirely state funded (however it is described) as are their nearest long term rivals. 

Socialism and capitalism are somewhat meaningless terms in sport.

yes that's a very good point.

[steve oates]

19 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

It's been brewing for a while this, been lots of rumours about Rovers making formal offers to Salford including a transfer fee. I'm surprised we're looking at paying fees though to be honest... would rather we put the money towards an East Stand extension! He's certainly the right type of player though 

"Rather put the money towards"  I thought your directors were mega rich?

These are new times for Rovers and Leigh, It ain't the mid 1990's when Leigh got 1350 for the Rovers visit and Rovers also 1350 for the Leigh visit..........

How did two such clubs come to the very Pinacle of the game, if not through endless injections of rich men's dosh?.

That's how you get success, by profligate spending.............

i.e. you buy it

[Saint Toppy]

31 minutes ago, David Shepherd said:

because like all good socialists, they ran out of other people's money to invest in underperforming, "ethical" assets.

Words taken exactly from the Jeremy Corbyn & Sons business model 

[steve oates]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

There is a lot of anger eminating from that post Haggis, I can't agree with your attack on such as Bernard Guasch, Neil Hudgell, Paul Caddick, even Marwen Koukash and surprised you omitted a certain Decking Salesman.

In our game many of those who invest are local lads who apart from having done good for themselves are lifelong supporters of their club, nobody has forced these people to put their hard earned into the sport they have done it because they want to, we should be welcoming money men into the sport.

 

Aye old lad..........

I'll add Derek Beaumont, Adam Pearson, Ian Lenegan, Eamon McManus, Paul Caddick (cue denials) Ken Davey......

So if the local lads are not investing much (e.g. at cas, and wakey) then it's the bottom end for them.

This reality is forefront in my mind when IMG start their nonsense about "Criteria".......

Leigh may be a small town in Wigan but so what if they have a Degsy and a Derby........... 

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

47 minutes ago, steve oates said:

"Rather put the money towards"  I thought your directors were mega rich?

These are new times for Rovers and Leigh, It ain't the mid 1990's when Leigh got 1350 for the Rovers visit and Rovers also 1350 for the Leigh visit..........

How did two such clubs come to the very Pinacle of the game, if not through endless injections of rich men's dosh?.

That's how you get success, by profligate spending.............

i.e. you buy it

There's a difference between spending, and profligate spending. Neil has never spent more than he wanted, or more than he could afford. He's never put the club at risk to do so, and he's always been focused on owning or improving our long-term assets alongside investment in the team as we build the club. 

All growth requires investment. That's all Hull KR have done. I think this will be the first season we've spent near the full cap, and still not using the marquee allowance. 

That's a long way from being "profligate", or buying success. The club has shown it had growth potential, and we still have headroom in terms of future revenue growth.

 

 

[moorside roughyed]

3 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

There’s some clips of him at Oldham on YouTube, I know highlights can mislead but looked like men against boys in some moments in those games. Very fast for a prop. 

Yes he is fast. He scored more or less a full length try in one game, forgot which one. Quality player.

[shrewsbury roughyed]

3 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

There’s some clips of him at Oldham on YouTube, I know highlights can mislead but looked like men against boys in some moments in those games. Very fast for a prop. 

It wasn’t misleading. He was outstanding.

[Gates1]

5 hours ago, Nothus said:

There's no loyalty in sport, and a rugby league career is a short one. Tyler is just trying to get the best deal possible for himself, and the recent England call up will have increased his worth significantly.

Yep, its human nature to want to be as well paid as possible for our labour.

It's the same for most of of us, including you, me and Dupree.

[Pete Grady]

5 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Isn't this Salford's stated model in action? Sign players to long contracts then get a good fee for them leaving to another 

No, Salford want them first of all to stay, otherwise they wouldn't have given them a long contract. A decent fee on the player leaving is only compensation to lessen the loss and to help find a suitable replacement.

[RP London]

48 minutes ago, Gates1 said:

Yep, its human nature to want to be as well paid as possible for our labour.

It's the same for most of of us, including you, me and Dupree.

very good

 

[idrewthehaggis]

6 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

There is a lot of anger eminating from that post Haggis

And I can't agree with your attack on such as Bernard Guasch, Neil Hudgell, Paul Caddick, even Marwen Koukash and surprised you omitted a certain Decking Salesman.

In our game many of those who invest are local lads who apart from having done good for themselves are lifelong supporters of their club, nobody has forced these people to put their hard earned into the sport they have done it because they want to, we should be welcoming money men into the sport not seemingly discriminating against them, Salford ard doing great with the community backing but is it really the way forward, or would you prefer a millionaire backer?

 

Gosh slight playful sarcastic, but not angry.

Ah well the written world and it's possible liberality can be taken differently without the other communication indicators like tone of voice or body language.

Aside from that, I agree with your post. Hence the" like. "

Edited May 23 by idrewthehaggis