Powell Gone

[Kenilworth Tiger]

38 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Next Warrington Wolves head coach odds

(Courtesy of Betfred)

6-4 – Justin Holbrook

7-2 – Adam O’Brien

5-1 – Justin Morgan

6-1 – Brett Hodgson

7-1 – Richard Marshall

10-1 – Shaun Wane, Tony Smith

12-1 – Lee Briers

25-1 – Michael Monaghan, Ian Watson

66-1 – John Kear

100-1 – Kevin Brown

No mention of Andy Last?

 

 

[idrewthehaggis]

36 minutes ago, Spidey said:

My vote is for John Kear based on what he achieved at Widnes

Whilst my humble vote goes to the Rick Marshall, based on his tremendous year at SRD.

I just hope Wire wasn't speaking to Holbrook (cos someone has) before jettisoning Powell. 

[JonNgog]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

What exactly is that based on?

I find this narrative really odd, and as much as I'm not Steve Price's biggest fan, I think it is really disrespectful to his team. In his four seasons with Warrington his team finished 4th, 4th, 2nd, 3rd. 

In 2018 - we lost the Cup Final  in a classic against Catalans and lost in the Grand Final in a close game against Wigan.

In 2019 - we beat Saints in the Cup Final before a disappointing playoff loss at home to Cas.

In 2020 - we lost in the Cup Semi to Salford and SL semi to Hull disappointingly.

In 2021 - we lost in the Cup and League semis again to Cas and Hull KR.

We clearly had developed a bit of a habit of losing those big tight games, but the league position just doesn't support all these claims of a rotten culture. 

Sorry, to be clear - that was the narrative Powell created, not what I personally believe

[ELBOWSEYE]

4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Do I glean from that in your mind Warrington are no different now than they were at the beginning of the season, is it just most other teams have improved and gone past them?

Slightly better, cooper should have been kept he's a Warrington lad who gave everything. Out of the players Leigh took Charnley and possibly Mulhern the rest I agree with letting go.

People who new me would back up the early season form predictions but I didn't expect the big drop off And as for teams improving only Leigh, HKR, Catalan have really moved on Wigan and saints are not as good the rest are similar.

 

[Harry Stottle]

27 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

Paul Cullen would get the passion and desire back.

And get a lot of players off misdemeanours in his other role on the judiciary.

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, JonNgog said:

Sorry, to be clear - that was the narrative Powell created, not what I personally believe

 understood.

That viewpoint is one that has been shared a lot by many in recent years.

[Harry Stottle]

3 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

People who new me would back up the early season form predictions but I didn't expect the big drop off And as for teams improving only Leigh, HKR, Catalan have really moved on Wigan and saints are not as good the rest are similar.

Aye, but all above Wire now but weren't for the first 9 or 10 rounds, to be honest Elbow I think it is a combination of both aspects all are seeming better than Wire at this present time who have drastically gone backwards whilst all the others have upped their game.

Saying that now that Powell is out of the way, watch them go and beat Catalan this weekend, stranger things have happened.

[StandOffHalf]

25 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

And get a lot of players off misdemeanours in his other role on the judiciary.

Win-win for Wire, then.

[Spidey]

If anything Powell's Warrington experiment has shown he probably wasn't suitable for the England job after all

[Mark S]

Shaun Wayne would be a good shout, but can’t see him leaving Wigan.

[Dave T]

Warrington Wolves head coach win percentages

Chris Brockbank (1936-51) 74 per cent (160 wins from 216 matches)

Tony Smith (2009-2017) 66.4 per cent (200 wins from 301 matches)

Cecil Mountford (1951-61) 65 per cent (282 wins from 433 matches)

Steve Price (2018-2021) 62.9 per cent (74 wins from 116 matches)

Tony Barrow (1986-88) 62 per cent (68 wins from 109 matches)

Jackie Fleming (1967-68) 61 per cent (41 wins from 67 matches)

Billy Benyon (1978-82) 60 per cent (93 wins from 154 matches)

Alex Murphy (1971-78) 57 per cent (176 wins from 308 matches)

Kevin Ashcroft (1982-82) 56 per cent (50 wins from 90 matches)

Brian Johnson (1988-96) 54 per cent (140 wins from 260 matches)

Ernie Ashcroft (1961-67) 53 per cent (133 wins from 252 matches)

Reg Bowden (1984-86) 52 per cent (32 wins from 61 matches)

John Dorahy (1996-97) 50 per cent (15 wins from 30 matches)

Paul Cullen (2002-08) 48.9 per cent (87 wins from 179 matches)

Peter Harvey (1970-71) 46 per cent (12 wins from 26 matches)

Joe Egan (1968-70) 44 per cent (32 wins from 73 matches)

Daryl Powell (2022-23) 42 per cent (21 wins from 49 matches)

Darryl Van de Velde (1997-2001) 42 per cent (59 wins from 140 matches)

Steve Anderson (2001-02) 35.3 per cent (12 wins from 34 matches)

David Plange (2002) 25 per cent (4 wins from 16 matches)

[Jill Halfpenny fan]

2 hours ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

Who would the Wire fans like to see on the short list to replace Powell?

Another current SL coach, an NRL assistant or someone from left field?

@Dave T?

(I don’t mean Dave T to step in! Haha)

They should get Steve Anderson back.

He had them heading in the right direction.

[Spidey]

8 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Warrington Wolves head coach win percentages

Chris Brockbank (1936-51) 74 per cent (160 wins from 216 matches)

Tony Smith (2009-2017) 66.4 per cent (200 wins from 301 matches)

Cecil Mountford (1951-61) 65 per cent (282 wins from 433 matches)

Steve Price (2018-2021) 62.9 per cent (74 wins from 116 matches)

Tony Barrow (1986-88) 62 per cent (68 wins from 109 matches)

Jackie Fleming (1967-68) 61 per cent (41 wins from 67 matches)

Billy Benyon (1978-82) 60 per cent (93 wins from 154 matches)

Alex Murphy (1971-78) 57 per cent (176 wins from 308 matches)

Kevin Ashcroft (1982-82) 56 per cent (50 wins from 90 matches)

Brian Johnson (1988-96) 54 per cent (140 wins from 260 matches)

Ernie Ashcroft (1961-67) 53 per cent (133 wins from 252 matches)

Reg Bowden (1984-86) 52 per cent (32 wins from 61 matches)

John Dorahy (1996-97) 50 per cent (15 wins from 30 matches)

Paul Cullen (2002-08) 48.9 per cent (87 wins from 179 matches)

Peter Harvey (1970-71) 46 per cent (12 wins from 26 matches)

Joe Egan (1968-70) 44 per cent (32 wins from 73 matches)

Daryl Powell (2022-23) 42 per cent (21 wins from 49 matches)

Darryl Van de Velde (1997-2001) 42 per cent (59 wins from 140 matches)

Steve Anderson (2001-02) 35.3 per cent (12 wins from 34 matches)

David Plange (2002) 25 per cent (4 wins from 16 matches)

Level pegging with D VdV

That did take me by surprise TBH

Edited July 31, 2023 by Spidey

[Dave T]

32 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Level pegging with D VdV

That did take me by surprise TBH

Considering the mess that we were in as a club back in those days, being in that company is quite damning.

[moorside roughyed]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Aye, but all above Wire now but weren't for the first 9 or 10 rounds, to be honest Elbow I think it is a combination of both aspects all are seeming better than Wire at this present time who have drastically gone backwards whilst all the others have upped their game.

Saying that now that Powell is out of the way, watch them go and beat Catalan this weekend, stranger things have happened.

I was thinking your 2nd paragraph at work today. As you said,stranger things have happened.

[HullWire]

51 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Level pegging with D VdV

That did take me by surprise TBH

Impressive consistency for ex Cas coaches, let's not get another one.

[ELBOWSEYE]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Aye, but all above Wire now but weren't for the first 9 or 10 rounds, to be honest Elbow I think it is a combination of both aspects all are seeming better than Wire at this present time who have drastically gone backwards whilst all the others have upped their game.

Saying that now that Powell is out of the way, watch them go and beat Catalan this weekend, stranger things have happened.

The crazy thing is that we have beat the Dragons in France twice this season.

[overtheborder]

I'm not a fan of any coach getting the sack as a general rule but I can't help feeling Powell's been put out of his misery now. It can't have been a pleasant position to be in on a personal level, and I still maintain he isn't a bad coach. Having done well in the past, maybe he's just encountered something here that he maybe hasn't come across before but that he'll reflect on and learn from in time. Maybe a type of infrastructure/working processes at a club like Warrington that you don't get at the likes of Cas (no disrespect intended).

Whatever the reasons, I hope he moves on from what's been a pretty painful experience in rugby terms and comes back stronger.

[Kenilworth Tiger]

20 minutes ago, HullWire said:

Impressive consistency for ex Cas coaches, let's not get another one.

sure you don't want to at least give it another go?

[paul hicks]

10 hours ago, fieldofclothofgold said:

Something was not quite right .I was thinking when after a recent defeat he stayed in his box for a long time before going for the usual interviews . What was he like with the players at that time ? His Castleford team of 2017 played some great football 

and yet won nothing of note.  that seems to be an ongoing thing with Powell's teams . when it comes to the crunch they fail .  it happend at at fev and cas and you can see it happening again..

perhaps he will have more luck at Bradford were the expectation will be lower.

[paul hicks]

3 hours ago, Dave T said:

What exactly is that based on?

I find this narrative really odd, and as much as I'm not Steve Price's biggest fan, I think it is really disrespectful to his team. In his four seasons with Warrington his team finished 4th, 4th, 2nd, 3rd. 

In 2018 - we lost the Cup Final  in a classic against Catalans and lost in the Grand Final in a close game against Wigan.

In 2019 - we beat Saints in the Cup Final before a disappointing playoff loss at home to Cas.

In 2020 - we lost in the Cup Semi to Salford and SL semi to Hull disappointingly.

In 2021 - we lost in the Cup and League semis again to Cas and Hull KR.

We clearly had developed a bit of a habit of losing those big tight games, but the league position just doesn't support all these claims of a rotten culture. 

your right after all saints lost 5 grand finals in a row didn't they

[Red Willow]

I miss the Cullen days, he never got over black Friday 

 

[The Future is League]

6 hours ago, Dave T said:

Next Warrington Wolves head coach odds

(Courtesy of Betfred)

6-4 – Justin Holbrook

7-2 – Adam O’Brien

5-1 – Justin Morgan

6-1 – Brett Hodgson

7-1 – Richard Marshall

10-1 – Shaun Wane, Tony Smith

12-1 – Lee Briers

25-1 – Michael Monaghan, Ian Watson

66-1 – John Kear

100-1 – Kevin Brown

I think it's Justin Holborooks if he wants it, but i hear his wife has a very good paying job in Australia and would be very reluctant to give it up.

Edited July 31, 2023 by The Future is League

[Anita Bath]

Also talk of coaching team changes at Roosters and Robinson bringing him in as his assistant.

[meast]

8 hours ago, Dave T said:

Next Warrington Wolves head coach odds

(Courtesy of Betfred)

6-4 – Justin Holbrook

7-2 – Adam O’Brien

5-1 – Justin Morgan

6-1 – Brett Hodgson

7-1 – Richard Marshall

10-1 – Shaun Wane, Tony Smith

12-1 – Lee Briers

25-1 – Michael Monaghan, Ian Watson

66-1 – John Kear

100-1 – Kevin Brown

Adam O'Brien is an interesting one, I know we sent him on loan to Halifax to get him game time but thats a big step up