The Cornwall RLFC Thread

[Davo5]

3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I meant on this thread - I don’t think it’s been mentioned.

 

On 02/11/2021 at 20:24, DoubleD said:

For those not in the know, St Helens have been supporting lots of grassroots development in Cornwall in recent years - schools have been playing and the Rebels have been looking at setting up satellite youth clubs. That said it’s in its infancy and some way from supporting a professional club 

There you go.

[Eddie]

4 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I meant on this thread - I don’t think it’s been mentioned.

It’s been going on for ages, eg https://www.saintsrlfc.com/saints-community-development-foundation/skytry/

[gingerjon]

Just now, Davo5 said:

 

There you go.

My error.

Looks good.

[Barley Mow]

1 hour ago, OriginalMrC said:

Yes all clubs have a share. Ottawa (now Cornwall) bought Hemel's share hence automatic entry into league 1. They are a new club (not a relocation) 

This is something I found odd when Ottawa purchased Hemel's RFL membership (and it is full membership of the RFL rather than a franchise or licence as some have said):

Having left the competition in 1999, Bramley retained their membership of the RFL and applied to re-join the Northern Ford Premiership (as it was then) in 2000 or 2001, but were refused. They nonetheless retained membership for a number of years after that despite not having an active team.

It seems strange that Hemel-Ottawa-Cornwall are seen as having a right to be able to enter a team because they are members of the RFL, whereas that obviously didn't apply for Bramley.

[Gav Wilson]

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Its a journey I've done several times, 3.5 hours each time pretty much.

Thread drift, but the last time I did Workington to York I did it in 2.5 hours each way. *shrugs*

[Johnoco]

After the split in 1906, the soccer side of Bradford FC, Bradford Park Avenue applied -and got- membership of the Southern League (after Fulham joined the Football League) This was before cars or even coaches were widely available. 

So it's nothing new.....

[OriginalMrC]

6 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

This is something I found odd when Ottawa purchased Hemel's RFL membership (and it is full membership of the RFL rather than a franchise or licence as some have said):

Having left the competition in 1999, Bramley retained their membership of the RFL and applied to re-join the Northern Ford Premiership (as it was then) in 2000 or 2001, but were refused. They nonetheless retained membership for a number of years after that despite not having an active team.

It seems strange that Hemel-Ottawa-Cornwall are seen as having a right to be able to enter a team because they are members of the RFL, whereas that obviously didn't apply for Bramley.

Yes and I think that's another factor here for some clubs i.e. Should someone get automatic entry and plonk a team wherever they want 

[Damien]

1 minute ago, OriginalMrC said:

Yes and I think that's another factor here for some clubs i.e. Should someone get automatic entry and plonk a team wherever they want 

But that's not the case at all. The RFL still have to approve any entry.

[Barley Mow]

1 minute ago, Damien said:

But that's not the case at all. The RFL still have to approve any entry.

So is it the other members of the RFL (i.e. the other clubs) that have approved Cornwall as a location?

If it is, then any complaints by some of those same clubs about travelling long distances seem a little misguided.

[EssexRL]

Whilst I have loved the fact that there has been a RL presence in Cornwall for some considerable time and that, like Devon, seems sustainable at its level and through the schools engagement is taking the next step, the creation of a L1 club there and now makes little sense to me for reasons set out in this thread. I hope I am wrong but I stuggle to see how it will work (work in the sense of getting people through the gates and being competitive particularly given the long journeys to away matches). This feels too much too soon. Maybe if it was located in Penzance or Plymouth (is Plymouth Devon or Cornwall) but....

Edited November 4, 2021 by EssexRL

[Damien]

4 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

So is it the other members of the RFL (i.e. the other clubs) that have approved Cornwall as a location?

If it is, then any complaints by some of those same clubs about travelling long distances seem a little misguided.

As the RFL is the governing body I would say they have the right to make that decision and don't need to have a majority decision by clubs.

[Damien]

The RFL are actually quite clear on this:

For the avoidance of doubt there shall be no automatic promotion between Tier 4 and Tier 3 (League 1); however, the Board shall have absolute discretion to admit other clubs to Tier 3 as it considers appropriate (taking into account such factors as it considers appropriate).

https://secure.rugby-league.com/ign_docs/143535 RFL Operational Rules Tier 1-3 2020 Web.pdf

[gingerjon]

3 minutes ago, Damien said:

The RFL are actually quite clear on this:

For the avoidance of doubt there shall be no automatic promotion between Tier 4 and Tier 3 (League 1); however, the Board shall have absolute discretion to admit other clubs to Tier 3 as it considers appropriate (taking into account such factors as it considers appropriate).

https://secure.rugby-league.com/ign_docs/143535 RFL Operational Rules Tier 1-3 2020 Web.pdf

Good spot that.

What does this mean though?

A Club shall not adopt a title which implies that it is representing, either wholly or in part, a country or county or town or any area or sponsor or commercial organisation nor shall it alter its name from that specified in the schedule unless, in either case, authorised to do so by the Board.

You can't be named after a town?

[Tommygilf]

4 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Good spot that.

What does this mean though?

A Club shall not adopt a title which implies that it is representing, either wholly or in part, a country or county or town or any area or sponsor or commercial organisation nor shall it alter its name from that specified in the schedule unless, in either case, authorised to do so by the Board.

You can't be named after a town?

Unless authorised I think is the key point there.

[iffleyox]

6 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Good spot that.

What does this mean though?

A Club shall not adopt a title which implies that it is representing, either wholly or in part, a country or county or town or any area or sponsor or commercial organisation nor shall it alter its name from that specified in the schedule unless, in either case, authorised to do so by the Board.

You can't be named after a town?

If you were being really picky, you can just about parse that safely as town or county name does not equal representing that town or county, it just means 'in' that town or county. 

So by way of example you can be Cornwall RL but you can't be 'Cornish RL'

Or you can be Wakefield, but you can't be Wakefieldians.

Which is pretty much nonsense but it does technically probably mean that Town or County/in this caase Duchy names are ok.

Or, as Tommy says, you've got permission. 

Edited November 4, 2021 by iffleyox

[Barley Mow]

8 minutes ago, Damien said:

The RFL are actually quite clear on this:

For the avoidance of doubt there shall be no automatic promotion between Tier 4 and Tier 3 (League 1); however, the Board shall have absolute discretion to admit other clubs to Tier 3 as it considers appropriate (taking into account such factors as it considers appropriate).

https://secure.rugby-league.com/ign_docs/143535 RFL Operational Rules Tier 1-3 2020 Web.pdf

Thanks for that.

So it is the board rather than the council of members that makes the decision.

3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Good spot that.

What does this mean though?

A Club shall not adopt a title which implies that it is representing, either wholly or in part, a country or county or town or any area or sponsor or commercial organisation nor shall it alter its name from that specified in the schedule unless, in either case, authorised to do so by the Board.

You can't be named after a town?

It seems to mean that the RFL Board has final say over what a club can be called.

[Damien]

7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Good spot that.

What does this mean though?

A Club shall not adopt a title which implies that it is representing, either wholly or in part, a country or county or town or any area or sponsor or commercial organisation nor shall it alter its name from that specified in the schedule unless, in either case, authorised to do so by the Board.

You can't be named after a town?

Agreed it does sound a little odd but I think its more a cover all for the RFL, in conjunction with the other clauses, to veto damaging name changes or changes that may cause issues with existing clubs or the international game. Teams can be called after towns, counties etc as long as its approved by the RFL.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Damien

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Unless authorised I think is the key point there.

Yup, you're right. Doing too many things at once right now and it is pretty clear once you stop trying to read a contract at the same time.

[Barley Mow]

1 minute ago, iffleyox said:

If you were being really picky, you can just about parse that safely as town or county name does not equal representing that town or county, it just means 'in' that town or county. 

So by way of example you can be Cornwall RL but you can't be 'Cornish RL'

Or you can be Wakefield, but you can't be Wakefieldians.

Which is pretty much nonsense but it does technically probably mean that Town or County/in this caase Duchy names are ok.

Wakefield would be fine, it's a city rather than a town!

[yipyee]

3 hours ago, Dave T said:

If it's not a new club, could you point me in the direction of Cornwall RLFC's results?

Well the franchise was ottowa who didnt play a game , before that the franchise belonged to hemel so if you look at hemels results when they were in league 1 that is your answer..

[OriginalMrC]

33 minutes ago, Damien said:

But that's not the case at all. The RFL still have to approve any entry.

I understand that but there are different levels of scrutiny applied because they already held the licence 

[yipyee]

17 minutes ago, Damien said:

Agreed it does sound a little odd but I think its more a cover all for the RFL, in conjunction with the other clauses, to veto damaging name changes or changes that may cause issues with existing clubs or the international game. Teams can be called after towns, counties etc as long as its approved by the RFL.

Yeah so someone doesnt come along with Cumbria RL or Yorkshire RL and step on the toes of existing clubs

[Damien]

3 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

I understand that but there are different levels of scrutiny applied because they already held the licence 

There is absolutely no evidence to back that up and I can't possibly see why it would be the case.

[RigbyLuger]

5 minutes ago, yipyee said:

Well the franchise was ottowa who didnt play a game , before that the franchise belonged to hemel so if you look at hemels results when they were in league 1 that is your answer..

This is back to the semantics of whether Bradford is Bradford and how York weren't at Wembley for the first time in 80 years

[yipyee]

11 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:

This is back to the semantics of whether Bradford is Bradford and how York weren't at Wembley for the first time in 80 years

Yes very true!

Manchester united and newton heath etc...