Huddersfield Giants

[daz39]

14 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Out of curiosity, what would your preference be? Stay where you are or move to Halifax?

Personally i hate the John Smith's so part of me is happy we won't be there anymore and i'm happy to trust Ken and go to Fax for a couple of years if it benefits us in the long term.

[Harry Stottle]

3 minutes ago, daz39 said:

Personally i hate the John Smith's so part of me is happy we won't be there anymore and i'm happy to trust Ken and go to Fax for a couple of years if it benefits us in the long term.

Then where daz, you have already said there are no appropriate sites available in Huddersfield itself?

[daz39]

9 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Then where daz, you have already said there are no appropriate sites available in Huddersfield itself?

There are none at the moment, or there have been none deemed suitable so far, that could change who knows.

[M j M]

34 minutes ago, daz39 said:

Personally i hate the John Smith's so part of me is happy we won't be there anymore and i'm happy to trust Ken and go to Fax for a couple of years if it benefits us in the long term.

Given the new Huddersfield stadium is nowhere in the planning process yet you're probably looking at least at 5 to 10 years playing out of town in Halifax. I think that would be an insane move for the club to make unless it has no alternative and is being pushed out of the John Smith's.

[Blind side johnny]

22 hours ago, Worzel said:

Precisely. It just isn't going to happen. Ken Davy is in his eighties, I believe he's genuinely tried to get a new stadium in Hudds to enable him to leave a sustainable platform behind, has now realised he's finally exhausted all efforts and is doing the right thing by the club of implementing the only viable Plan B. It's to be respected. 

You clearly have zero local knowledge or understanding yet insist upon zooming down your speculative rabbit hole. You say elsewhere that you can't get into KD's mind and the insist that you can.

Mergers don't happen because someone looks at a map and decides that it makes sense. Just provide me with one single example of a merger in British (or even Australian) RL that has been successful.

[Blind side johnny]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Then where daz, you have already said there are no appropriate sites available in Huddersfield itself?

Well, if Daz says so there mustn't be.

[Blind side johnny]

2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

And a merger somewhere down the line?

PS late to the thread see that it has been mentioned quite a lot as I worked through down the thread.

I can readily imagine another merger that might happen "somewhere down the line" Harry. Would you support that one?

[Worzel]

1 hour ago, Blind side johnny said:

You clearly have zero local knowledge or understanding yet insist upon zooming down your speculative rabbit hole. You say elsewhere that you can't get into KD's mind and the insist that you can.

Mergers don't happen because someone looks at a map and decides that it makes sense. Just provide me with one single example of a merger in British (or even Australian) RL that has been successful.

I've no idea whether a merger will happen, yes that's pure speculative hypothesising. It's perfectly possible Hudds and Halifax will coexist long-term in the same stadium. I just think the logic may then eventually become ever more compelling.

I have a high degree of confidence in my assessment of the permanance of this move however. We have enough information to be able to develop that conclusion. There's no business case for moving from a facility you've used for 30 years (when you're not being forced out) to another town, and investing heavily in a facility there you won't be using in the medium term, and also building your own stadium back in your home town. It does not, and would not, make any sense. 

[LeytherRob]

3 hours ago, daz39 said:

Personally i hate the John Smith's so part of me is happy we won't be there anymore and i'm happy to trust Ken and go to Fax for a couple of years if it benefits us in the long term.

You do realise it’s not going to be just a couple of years though don’t you? Considering there isn’t even a site in place, it’ll take a decade or more. It took nearly a decade to open the LSV from early plans and that was fairly straightforward with land identified very early.

[Stainesrover]

Can't Huddersfield play at the local Rugby Union ground (YMCA) ???

[Wollo Wollo Wayoo]

3 minutes ago, Stainesrover said:

Can't Huddersfield play at the local Rugby Union ground (YMCA) ???

Difficult to read that post without bursting into song at the end.  

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, Blind side johnny said:

You clearly have zero local knowledge or understanding yet insist upon zooming down your speculative rabbit hole. You say elsewhere that you can't get into KD's mind and the insist that you can.

Mergers don't happen because someone looks at a map and decides that it makes sense. Just provide me with one single example of a merger in British (or even Australian) RL that has been successful.

The only one in sport that I can think of which has been successful is Inverness Caledonian Thistle, and there are still older people there who refuse to watch them. 

[Hopping Mad]

24 minutes ago, Stainesrover said:

Can't Huddersfield play at the local Rugby Union ground (YMCA) ???

Huddersfield RUFC's Lockwood Park is probably bigger and better than the YMCA/Laund Hill ground. That said, the latter has staged/is staging rugby league - on a regular basis. IIRC, when in the NCL, Underbank Rangers played at least one game at Lockwood Park. Neither ground is anywhere near Super League standard.

Edited January 10 by Hopping Mad

[Agbrigg]

2 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Mergers don't happen because someone looks at a map and decides that it makes sense. Just provide me with one single example of a merger in British (or even Australian) RL that has been successful.

What about the Huddersfield Sheffield merger, that was lucrative and beneficial as far as Huddersfield were concerned

Edited January 10 by Agbrigg

[Agbrigg]

12 minutes ago, Hopping Mad said:

Huddersfield RUFC's Lockwood Park is probably bigger and better than the YMCA/Laund Hill ground. That said, the latter has staged/is staging rugby league - on a regular basis. IIRC, when in the NCL, Underbank Rangers played at least one game at Lockwood Park. Neither ground is anywhere near Super League standard.

I dont know anything about those grounds but is seems like Ken isnt bothered what he gets. A building plot in order to build a 7000 stadium is what he wants. So if one or more have the foot print to do that ,then they would fit the bill.

Edited January 10 by Agbrigg

[Worzel]

5 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

What about the Huddersfield Sheffield merger, that was lucrative and beneficial as far as Huddersfield were concerned

Somebody call an ambulance, we need rapid transfer to the burns unit 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

3 hours ago, M j M said:

Given the new Huddersfield stadium is nowhere in the planning process yet you're probably looking at least at 5 to 10 years playing out of town in Halifax. I think that would be an insane move for the club to make unless it has no alternative and is being pushed out of the John Smith's.

This.

This only makes sense if Huddersfield are being forced out of John Smith's Stadium and need an alternative relatively quickly. Unless they're either planning on bigger things (a merger) or the opposite... downscaling in preparation of a potential drop out of SL.

[Barley Mow]

13 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

I dont know anything about those grounds but is seems like Ken isnt bothered what he gets. A building plot in order to build a 7000 stadium is what he wants. So if one or more have the foot print to do that ,then they would fit the bill.

I believe, and happy to be corrected by any Huddersfield fans if I'm wrong, Laund Hill (YMCA) was bought by Davy/Huddersfield Giants and is now used by them as a training facility/match location for women/academy teams.

I assume it isn't suitable for development of a stadium due to location, layout or covenants, etc.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

2 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Mergers don't happen because someone looks at a map and decides that it makes sense. Just provide me with one single example of a merger in British (or even Australian) RL that has been successful.

Depends what your criteria for success are. The combined crowds of Magpies and Balmain in their latter years are lower than Wests Tigers' current average attendance I believe, not to mention it allowed them to survive in the top tier. Is that a successful merger?

 

Do XIII Catalan and St Esteve forming UTC (then becoming the Catalans Dragons) count?

[LeeF]

23 hours ago, daz39 said:

Huddersfield aren't, Ken Davy is.

If Ken thinks there's a chance of this being a good deal then i've no doubt it will be, he's a shrewd, wise businessman, he wouldn't have thought about this if it didn't have benefits in the long run.

Plus Kirklees are skint so if Ken offers to buy a suitable site and then develop it they are likely to be very supportive

[PREPOSTEROUS]

I know there is a fair amount of derelict land around Dalton that's been sounded out for a residential development for the past decade or so, it doesn't work for resi, but could be an option for a stadium. 

The Leeds Road sports field and Sports Complex looks a prime target. KMBC are bankrupt, a nice offer to them with a suitable replacement, it would be hard to turn down. 

Edited January 10 by PREPOSTEROUS

[Taffy Tiger]

3 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

You clearly have zero local knowledge or understanding yet insist upon zooming down your speculative rabbit hole. You say elsewhere that you can't get into KD's mind and the insist that you can.

Mergers don't happen because someone looks at a map and decides that it makes sense. Just provide me with one single example of a merger in British (or even Australian) RL that has been successful.

Leeds-Bradford Airport 

[daz39]

3 hours ago, Barley Mow said:

I believe, and happy to be corrected by any Huddersfield fans if I'm wrong, Laund Hill (YMCA) was bought by Davy/Huddersfield Giants and is now used by them as a training facility/match location for women/academy teams.

I assume it isn't suitable for development of a stadium due to location, layout or covenants, etc.

Correct, on all counts.

[daz39]

3 hours ago, LeeF said:

Plus Kirklees are skint so if Ken offers to buy a suitable site and then develop it they are likely to be very supportive

From conversations i've had with Ken and other board members Kirklees Council are being or have been very helpful so far, hopefully something will be able to be sorted.

[Jill Halfpenny fan]

5 hours ago, Eddie said:

The only one in sport that I can think of which has been successful is Inverness Caledonian Thistle, and there are still older people there who refuse to watch them. 

Clachnacuddin should have joined in as well.