World Cup venues announcement

[The Hallucinating Goose]

1 hour ago, M j M said:

The games at Craven Park massively underperformed in the 2013 World Cup and the last four nations as well though so, fairly or not, there's been a perception of a pattern in the city in recent times.

Those games underperformed because they were at craven Park not because they were in Hull. Craven Park is a bit of a hole to get to, even living in the city. From where I am it's two buses and can take even up to an hour to get to the interchange and change and get through the bloody traffic on holderness Road and the almost inevitable cordoned off lane for yet another cyclist being squished by a lorry. Then after you've navigated through that and you've got off the bus down Preston Road you have to equip yourself with a stab vest to just cross the road to the caravan park. There are not particularly any pubs round there, nowhere to get any food particularly or to just socialise before the game. Certainly not somewhere to be hosting international sporting events. To quote a friend of mine who played a gig there, and was visiting for the first time, "when I was in the taxi going down that way, I thought I was being taken into mordor". 

[yanto]

forgot the quote was on my phone.

 

[yanto]

2 hours ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

PROMOTION OF THE GAME! Jesus wept, narrow thinking chippy northerners outdoing themselves yet again

Seems that you didn't read the bit about Coventry but you want Bristol or London? 

Bristol had a game in the last WC. Decent crowd but what did it do for the game / area long term? 

It would be great if we could take a game and gaurentee the locals all of a sudden came out and supported a sport they know very little about just because their home land (or parents /grandparents home land) are in town. 

I can't see England Lacrosse team ( for example) taking a game to Amsterdam and expecting 6-7000 to turn up to watch just because 85,000 British live within an hour of the city. I don't think it works like that. 

At least if some of the 35,000 Brummie / Midland Jamaicans turn out at Coventry there are grassroots already in place that they can help grow. West Yorkshire has a large Jamaican community who most likely at least know what the game is.. but let's deny them the oppertunity to get along and support their team shall we. Swings and roundabouts. 

Also its been mentioned the funding was awarded from the North on certain criteria I guess. Bristol ain't North so the argument goes out of the window anyway. 

As for a  "narrow thinking Chippy Northerner" you don't have a clue what my background is, were I live or how I follow the game. 

 

 

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[The Future is League]

Now the announcements have been made i want to some proper marketing from the RFL and not something written on the back of a fag packet, and please Ralph no B's or C's etc just do it properly.

Bring in that lady again who do so well when we last held the the world cup.

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

7 hours ago, Rob Nash said:

As I understand it the major flaw in the Wigan bid was that they only went for 1 game (1/4 final). I struggle to see what else they could have bid for. The stadium is too big for minor group games but too small for a 1/4 final. This is the advantage grounds like LSV, Keepmoat etc have. They bid for games appropriate to the size of the venue. Why crowbar Wigan in when there are so many venues already in easy distance of the area?

It’s smaller than the stadiums in Coventry and Middlesbrough, both of which will be used for group games.

[iffleyox]

1 hour ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

It’s smaller than the stadiums in Coventry and Middlesbrough, both of which will be used for group games.

Yes, and his point is that (allegedly) Wigan didn’t bid for the group games, they bid for the 1/4 finals, where their ground is smaller than the 2 you’ve just mentioned....

[thehullram]

Personally, yesterday, was a great plus for the game. Venues named over 2 years ahead. Good mix of new and old venues, with some new stadiums as well. Next step is to make sure the tickets are on sale  at least 2 years in advance. 

Believe that the reason places like Doncaster, Teesside and Coventry got games was the amount of marketing money the local authority have agreed to pour into the build up. 

No reason why we can’t sell out every game in the men’s game! 

Very excited. Think I’ll have trips to SJP, Teesside, Hull, Leeds, Doncaster, Anfield, Emirates and Huddersfield! Better start saving now! 

[fieldofclothofgold]

Elland Road present capacity 37K which is adequate for a semi, but I know there are Leeds United fans who come on here and if they win Promotion and establish themselves in the EPL are expecting ER to be redeveloped to provide a larger capacity .

[Bleep1673]

It is largely being touted around that the game at Arsenal will be the first non-football game there, we are 30+months away from the game, what's the guarantee Union won't arrange a game before that?

[Cumbrian Fanatic]

6 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

It is largely being touted around that the game at Arsenal will be the first non-football game there, we are 30+months away from the game, what's the guarantee Union won't arrange a game before that?

There are no guarantees but there is a reason that there has been no other sports there and very few other events - think there has been something like 3 or 4 concerts, I believe this is down to the number of events the stadium can hold is capped. This of course doesn't mean something can't be arranged but it will be difficult, and we have now already had one of the big benefits - the impact of the launch and being able to make the claim. What we now need to do is lock that in by getting the tickets on sale before any other event can be arranged

[RP London]

15 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

Sorry but, in terms of the men's tournament, there are 13 games in historical Lancashire and 12 in historical Yorkshire. 

2 in bolton, 3 in saints, 3 in leigh, 3 in Warrington, 1 in Liverpool, 1 in Manchester = 13

4 in Leeds, 2 in Hull, 1 in Sheffield, 1 in Huddersfield, 1 in Middlesbrough, 3 in donny = 12

West of Pennines there are 16 with the addition of 3 in Workington, East of Pennines there are 15 with addition of 1 in Newcastle, 1 in Coventry and 1 in London. 

dont let the facts get in the way of a good rant.. 

another game in london maybe could have been an option but other than that the spread seems pretty good.

[RP London]

13 hours ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

disappointed that there's no Bristol or Cardiff , would rather Cardiff than that hole in Liverpool and Bristol to get a game instead of one of the three at Doncaster. Also a bit miffed that there's only the one game in London.

That said happy with Emirates, it's 30 minutes by train for me, but with it not  not surprised regarding OT for the final but Riverside on top of SJP is too much. Hoping the Workington game is a sell out.

No Wigan game is probably because there's Anfield, Tellins, Warrington AND Leigh, it's not like there's much of a journey to get to a game around those parts so not seeing it as a mistake as mentioned earlier.

IF England do make the semi will it be at Elland rd? If it is, then IMHO that would be a huge mistake, for me it most definitely needs to be at Emirates. I'll be doing Hull, Emirates, Copperbox and maybe a Doncaster game if I can squeeze it in. Will be hoping to drag some RL newbies to Emirates particularly if England get there/it gets given the game.

 

if you look at the 1/4 and semi final venues there is one big and then the rest smaller grounds.. the obvious plan (though a freak result then means all bets are off) will be that England go to the big grounds and all other matches are at the smaller venues. There is more chance of selling out an England knock out match in a big ground than any of the others.. I would be shocked if it was anything other than that.. 

[RP London]

On 1/29/2019 at 9:36 AM, RP London said:

very excited by Sheffield... can count on at least me, my lad for sure.. will talk to mates and get them along (most of them enjoying the odd match) but also a couple of us league fans are involved with the local Union club in the youth set ups so will talk to them and get a major push on getting the couple of hundered kids we coach across the 6-8 age groups to get down there too! convert some of the little ones!

on this... i've already had texts and whats app messages from friends in Sheffield that have no real history with RL (bar coming to France to watch a Les Cats match for my 40th) who are asking to be added to any plans that I have to go... 

[Davo5]

55 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

It is largely being touted around that the game at Arsenal will be the first non-football game there, we are 30+months away from the game, what's the guarantee Union won't arrange a game before that?

Does anybody really care.

[Dr Tim Whatley]

1 hour ago, Bleep1673 said:

It is largely being touted around that the game at Arsenal will be the first non-football game there, we are 30+months away from the game, what's the guarantee Union won't arrange a game before that?

Oh do cheer up.

[Dr Tim Whatley]

1 hour ago, RP London said:

on this... i've already had texts and whats app messages from friends in Sheffield that have no real history with RL (bar coming to France to watch a Les Cats match for my 40th) who are asking to be added to any plans that I have to go... 

Similarly with a mate of mine who lives in Coventry...

[henage]

Been to Old and new Wembley , Olympic park , Loftus rd to watch Rugby , its looking like the Emirates will be added to the list .

[Cowardly Fan]

3 hours ago, iffleyox said:

Yes, and his point is that (allegedly) Wigan didn’t bid for the group games, they bid for the 1/4 finals, where their ground is smaller than the 2 you’ve just mentioned....

It's smaller than 2 of the group games and yet he said it was too big for those same games. 

[Rupert Prince]

14 hours ago, Dave T said:

I don't know why people are getting hung up on Bristol. That has gone now. We got a nice crowd 5.5 years ago, we have done nothing since. There is no reason to go back there 8 years later to pretend we are interested again. We are looking for bigger and better than what we did there then.

A key area for rugby and you want to ignore it. Yes, LSV is the place to go.

Since the WC was in 2013, how else can it come back but in the 2021 tournament. What other internationals could it have done since? 

[Exiled Wiganer]

This will be a very well run and professional World Cup. The organisers will be far better off being able to focus solely on games in England, will have learnt a lot from 2013, and have more resources at their disposal. 

As for wigan, I see there is delight from the usual suspects fuelled by their hatred  of the club and their contempt for our fans. My view is that we have earned over many years the right to host a game in the World Cup. We have supported the international game over decades. Anyone who chooses Bolton over Wigan simply looking at the bottom line does the game in our town a massive disservice. Stupid decision, and doubtless the international game will come crawling back when it needs people to watch less easily sold games in the years to come. 

[hunsletgreenandgold]

7 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

A key area for rugby and you want to ignore it. Yes, LSV is the place to go.

Since the WC was in 2013, how else can it come back but in the 2021 tournament. What other internationals could it have done since? 

I think Dave is referring to the fact nothing has been done to build the profile of RL in Bristol since then i.e. no signs of an expansion team or increased participation at any level for that matter. 

[Rupert Prince]

13 hours ago, Just Browny said:

The tantrums from Wigan way have been an unexpected bonus in today's announcements.

Wigan fans will have plenty of opportunities to watch World Cup rugby: there are games in Manchester, Liverpool, St Helens, Bolton, Leigh and Warrington.

Ha ha...

Wiganers will be knocked over in the crush as Widnes, Saints and Warrington fans flock past them to get to Bolton. Meantime, Leigh and Salford will be ghost towns.

Wigan will continue to keep on working in the community, creating its own "legacy" and producing players for the England team.

If I was you I would choke back on your thin humour and start wondering where the RFL will fritter away it's dollop of Sport England money. 

[RP London]

33 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

This will be a very well run and professional World Cup. The organisers will be far better off being able to focus solely on games in England, will have learnt a lot from 2013, and have more resources at their disposal. 

As for wigan, I see there is delight from the usual suspects fuelled by their hatred  of the club and their contempt for our fans. My view is that we have earned over many years the right to host a game in the World Cup. We have supported the international game over decades. Anyone who chooses Bolton over Wigan simply looking at the bottom line does the game in our town a massive disservice. Stupid decision, and doubtless the international game will come crawling back when it needs people to watch less easily sold games in the years to come. 

sorry but in a bidding process you haven't "earned" anything. if the bid is not strong enough then it is not strong enough.. if anyone in Wigan was feeling "entitled" to the game, so bidding less, then they are idiots. The person doing the game in your town a disservice is whoever thought that being in Wigan was worth more than being anywhere else just because it is Wigan.

The bottom line for a world cup is hugely important and is key for the success of a world cup.. post season international matches are a slightly different matter, but equally if Bolton or anywhere else is a success, then maybe they wont need to "go crawling back" to Wigan in the future. The international game can grown from something like this and Wigan may well be way down on the list in the coming years as the international game has to go to bigger venues... that is the hope of everyone surely.. (certainly I dont want international matches in small stadiums, I want them to be banging the door down of 30k+ stadiums in the next few years because of the success of the world cup) 

Those who feel entitled to things often see the world zoom past them as they dont move with the times.. there are plenty of example in sport and life of that happening. 

[Dave T]

46 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

A key area for rugby and you want to ignore it. Yes, LSV is the place to go.

Since the WC was in 2013, how else can it come back but in the 2021 tournament. What other internationals could it have done since? 

Is it a key area? I'm not so sure.

Are you suggesting that in 8 years we couldn't have staged another big RL game in Bristol to follow on from 2013?

[Dave T]

48 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

This will be a very well run and professional World Cup. The organisers will be far better off being able to focus solely on games in England, will have learnt a lot from 2013, and have more resources at their disposal. 

As for wigan, I see there is delight from the usual suspects fuelled by their hatred  of the club and their contempt for our fans. My view is that we have earned over many years the right to host a game in the World Cup. We have supported the international game over decades. Anyone who chooses Bolton over Wigan simply looking at the bottom line does the game in our town a massive disservice. Stupid decision, and doubtless the international game will come crawling back when it needs people to watch less easily sold games in the years to come. 

Whilst I agree with your overall point about Wigan supporting the game, and I do like the DW Stadium a lot to watch RL, we can't just ignore the quality of the bids, and we must assume that the bid wasn't strong enough for the QF.

Bottom line is important, and there is no reason to suggest that we won't fill Bolton, but would fill Wigan, and if we get a lot more money for doing so, then that is a compelling reason for Bolton.