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1 hour ago, Man of Kent said:

It's not a time to take risks

If we put all the times it was a time to take risks together they'd probably get to the Moon and back. If we put all the times we've taken a risk they wouldn't go the length of one of Mr Beaumont's pieces of garden furniture.

If you think adventurous times are ahead it will be rule changes etc or the excitement level of an episode of Wallace & Grommit, and the full on drama of the test card.

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16 minutes ago, Scotchy1 said:

We know why. People aren't really interested in seeing Leeds and Wigan beat villages in Yorkshire and Lancashire.

 

Strange that Castleford vs Leeds is consistently a good TV ratings game then.
 

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37 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

All I have done, because I am very childish, is point out that Leigh is in Wigan and the team dress like Wigan. So they are, from a distance, essentially Wigan.

Just not as popular or successful.

Point taken, it's been an interesting discussion and thanks for replying.

 

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7 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

It is their grand final to be fair

The TV ratings aren't made up of people solely from Castleford though.

People want to watch competitive, authentic, sport which matters to the people playing and to the people at the ground. That is why Leeds vs Cas and similar games get decent figures.

Simply writing off decent-sized Rugby League clubs because they come from the wrong areas is beyond stupid.

Yes, the game needs to expand for its own interest and yes ultimately that would see smaller clubs most probably fall away. This year we needed to make a one-off decision because of exceptional circumstances and a more strategic decision would have been justified. But in normal times all this shuffling of imaginary clubs around like pieces on a chess board is stupid and dangerous - we need strong heartlands to sustain expansion; wilfully trying to destroy the places in which we are strong purely to give their spots to freshly fabricated teams from elsewhere is a sure-fire way to destroy the value of your TV deal, not enhance it.

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1 minute ago, Oxford said:

If we put all the times it was a time to take risks together they'd probably get to the Moon and back. If we put all the times we've taken a risk they wouldn't go the length of one of Mr Beaumont's pieces of garden furniture.

If you think adventurous times are ahead it will be rule changes etc or the excitement level of an episode of Wallace & Grommit, and the full on drama of the test card.

I honestly do think the powers that be - Elstone, Hetherington, Lenegan, McManus et al - would like SL to have a wider geographic footprint, eg with Toulouse and London. 

But now is not an ideal time to be expanding.

The big picture is there is reduced funding for the 12th club. There is P&R - the 12th SL club has no protection. There has been no Championship rugby since 8 March. It is now mid-December. Furthermore, we are going through a pandemic with no end in sight.

In some ways, we are fortunate there are any clubs who could just about be competitive in these circumstances.   

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1 minute ago, M j M said:

The TV ratings aren't made up of people solely from Castleford though.

People want to watch competitive, authentic, sport which matters to the people playing and to the people at the ground. That is why Leeds vs Cas and similar games get decent figures.

Simply writing off decent-sized Rugby League clubs because they come from the wrong areas is beyond stupid.

Yes, the game needs to expand for its own interest and yes ultimately that would see smaller clubs most probably fall away. This year we needed to make a one-off decision because of exceptional circumstances and a more strategic decision would have been justified. But in normal times all this shuffling of imaginary clubs around like pieces on a chess board is stupid and dangerous - we need strong heartlands to sustain expansion; wilfully trying to destroy the places in which we are strong purely to give their places to non-existent teams from elsewhere is a sure-fire way to destroy the value of your TV deal, not enhance it.

The TV ratings for the last leeds v Castleford game were roughly the same as NZ v Australia in RU. A game which was screened at 8 in the morning. 

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2 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

I honestly do think the powers that be - Elstone, Hetherington, Lenegan, McManus et al - would like SL to have a wider geographic footprint, eg with Toulouse and London. 

But now is not an ideal time to be expanding.

The big picture is there is reduced funding for the 12th club. There is P&R - the 12th SL club has no protection. There has been no Championship rugby since 8 March. It is now mid-December. Furthermore, we are going through a pandemic with no end in sight.

In some ways, we are fortunate there are any clubs who could just about be competitive in these circumstances.   

So when was, and why didn't we do it then?

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If this is a case of just wanting a 'filler' for a bit of a stop gap, why on earth not let York have a go? 

Win lose or draw they'd have generated more interest among new people,.even if they crashed and burned. Leigh will add absolutely nothing to the games ridiculously low profile - nothing against them it's just true.

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1 minute ago, Man of Kent said:

I honestly do think the powers that be - Elstone, Hetherington, Lenegan, McManus et al - would like SL to have a wider geographic footprint, eg with Toulouse and London. 

But now is not an ideal time to be expanding.

The big picture is there is reduced funding for the 12th club. There is P&R - the 12th SL club has no protection. There has been no Championship rugby since 8 March. It is now mid-December. Furthermore, we are going through a pandemic with no end in sight.

In some ways, we are fortunate there are any clubs who could just about be competitive in these circumstances.   

MoK you're missing my point I'm not attacking the decision; Leigh are as good a choice as any and I'm not saying they're not being cautious or that this isn't the correct thing to do at this moment in time.

SL will, at some point, have a wider footprint that will include either one or both of those clubs.

My point is beyond that limit the project is as dead as the Dodo.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

They let in Toronto, didn't they? How did that work out?

Yes but that wasn't part of Mr Elstone's Master Plan.

Now as soon as he can get shot of Toulouse and Catalan he'll be on the verge of accomplishing his final solution.

Only London left then.  

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7 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

If this is a case of just wanting a 'filler' for a bit of a stop gap, why on earth not let York have a go? 

Win lose or draw they'd have generated more interest among new people,.even if they crashed and burned. Leigh will add absolutely nothing to the games ridiculously low profile - nothing against them it's just true.

John..... giving york the gig would have destroyed the momentum they have in an instant and causing some damage on an ambitious and promising coach.

Their day will come. But not like this. For the good of york im glad they didn't get it. 

They are making fantastic progress. Nowt to be gained and everything to lose by giving them this bit part to play before sending them back down with a pat on the back saying "thanks lads"!

 

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Well the consolation is that with London, Toulouse, York, Fev, Bradford, Halifax, Newcastle and all ........ It's certainly a fascinating competition isn't it?

Will it be on the telly? 

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3 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

Well the consolation is that with London, Toulouse, York, Fev, Bradford, Halifax, Newcastle and all ........ It's certainly a fascinating competition isn't it?

Will it be on the telly? 

Summer Bash only

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Congratulations to Leigh.

A truly momentous day for the sport.

How lucky are we to have our wonderful sport being run by such outstanding visionaries that sees us on the cusp of greatness with blue chip companies falling over themselves to get involved,with our international comp that is inspiring young kids the length and breadth of the country to take up the sport.

😂😂😂😂😂

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