Attendance thread

[Sports Prophet]

17 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

Quite right. I've only looked up a couple of years but 2013 was 20k and 2012 was 21k. That is a big slip over a decade. The 13k there yesterday is a decent attendance for a RL game in my opinion if just looked at on its own but when you know the history of the fixture it is a bit disappointing. 

Yeah it sure is. When a concept is proven, why isn’t it replicated year on year?

Unless of course they were Easter weekend matches or something, as fans of the sport, we should be very disappointed with a 35-40% drop in just over a decade.

[Sports Prophet]

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[Sports Prophet]

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[Wellsy4HullFC]

9 hours ago, daz39 said:

The point i was making was all those who mentioned have had more success than us but get less than usbut apparently it's us that need to grow and no one else?

Again, that's a gross manipulation of the situation. When your data range is so large it dates back to before many were alive, it's not exactly relevant to claim that as "more success".

In the last decade, you've consistently been a challenger. In recent years, Salford have too, but there's a feeling of overachievement with Salford compared to expected with Huddersfield (based on investment). Wakefield have been scraping SL places for nearly their entire time in it.

I think the reason it falls on your lot more than them is RECENT prolonged investment in a team with decent facilities. You're basically near peak circumstances (without actually winning a comp). Compare that to Hull KR, Castleford, Warrington pre-2009, Catalans' first decade.

Salford seem to accept their attendances are poor. Huddersfield don't, they get defensive!

[Damien]

3 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

Yeah it sure is. When a concept is proven, why isn’t it replicated year on year?

Unless of course they were Easter weekend matches or something, as fans of the sport, we should be very disappointed with a 35-40% drop in just over a decade.

It was, just not always for that particular fixture.

[GUBRATS]

10 hours ago, RayCee said:

The Div 1 clubs of 80-81 are listed according to crowds. Interestingly Hull provided the top two. 

The 2023 column shows green teams are in SL and purple are now in a lower division. Oldham and Workington are in League One and their figures are my estimates.

The final column shows the difference, green up and yellow down. The two teams in both top flights that are lower in attendance are KR and Wakefield. The only club that has dropped out of the top flight and is up is Fev.

The big losses are for teams that are now in a lower division. SL is 80% up on Div 1 back then. 

Clubs	80-81	2023	%
Hull FC	11,711	12,885	10.0%
Hull KR	8,904	8,745	-1.8%
Bradford	6,105	3,871	-36.6%
Leeds	5,934	13,727	131.3%
Widnes	5,306	2,945	-44.5%
St Helens	4,934	13,018	163.8%
Warrington	4,916	10,931	122.4%
Wakefield	4,814	4,296	-10.8%
Castleford	4,616	7,217	56.3%
Leigh	4,498	7,063	57.0%
Halifax	4,090	2,017	-50.7%
Barrow	4,065	2,219	-45.4%
Salford	3,458	5,139	48.6%
Oldham	3,220	600	-81.4%
Featherstone	3,007	3,114	3.6%
Workington	2,188	800	-63.4%
TOT AVG	5,110	9,239	80.8%

No Wigan ?

[The Masked Poster]

4 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

Yeah it sure is. When a concept is proven, why isn’t it replicated year on year?

Unless of course they were Easter weekend matches or something, as fans of the sport, we should be very disappointed with a 35-40% drop in just over a decade.

It was marketed as 'The Big One', a special event type thing. Whether it still is, I have no idea.

[The Masked Poster]

12 hours ago, daz39 said:

But they don't get it constantly like we do.

Maybe because they mostly acknowledge that their crowds are not what they could be and accept that they really could do better. Salford are currently making small strides forward and the acid test for Wakefield will be when the stadium is fully refurbed. But the fact is, that for over 2 decades and after Sheffield were sacrificed to save them, Huddersfield have had considerable investment and a moderate bit of success. That's why they could be doing better crowds wise.

Nobody is picking on them. When other clubs get poor crowds, they too get some flack. Stop making out that it's some sort of witchunt. 

[RL Tragic]

9 hours ago, LeytherRob said:

Have they? As far as I can tell plans A-Z for Thewlis and Huddersfield is to reduce prices and hope people turn up, which doesn't work and only serves to devalue the product being sold. 

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/huddersfield-giants-richard-thewlis-crowds-19991185

https://www.totalrl.com/giants-looking-to-turn-the-corner/

The Q&A in the latter link has a particularly telling quote which I think just shows a complete and utter lack of creativity.

 

Good point , the market doesn’t exist because it’s not a market , the only way that could exist is by subsidies. I think it’s a real shame but I can’t see there relative success continuing as these things never do , Im concerned for their future finances . 

[sweaty craiq]

Wigan have a 20k crowd coming up and Leigh may well break 8000 if the last game is meaningful

[JonM]

13 hours ago, RayCee said:

The Div 1 clubs of 80-81 are listed according to crowds. Interestingly Hull provided the top two. 

The 2023 column shows green teams are in SL and purple are now in a lower division. Oldham and Workington are in League One and their figures are my estimates.

The final column shows the difference, green up and yellow down. The two teams in both top flights that are lower in attendance are KR and Wakefield. The only club that has dropped out of the top flight and is up is Fev.

The big losses are for teams that are now in a lower division. SL is 80% up on Div 1 back then. 

Clubs	80-81	2023	%
Hull FC	11,711	12,885	10.0%
Hull KR	8,904	8,745	-1.8%
Bradford	6,105	3,871	-36.6%
Leeds	5,934	13,727	131.3%
Widnes	5,306	2,945	-44.5%
St Helens	4,934	13,018	163.8%
Warrington	4,916	10,931	122.4%
Wakefield	4,814	4,296	-10.8%
Castleford	4,616	7,217	56.3%
Leigh	4,498	7,063	57.0%
Halifax	4,090	2,017	-50.7%
Barrow	4,065	2,219	-45.4%
Salford	3,458	5,139	48.6%
Oldham	3,220	600	-81.4%
Featherstone	3,007	3,114	3.6%
Workington	2,188	800	-63.4%
TOT AVG	5,110	9,239	80.8%

80-81 was a bit of a high point for attendances, too - highest in 15+ years IIRC.

[RayCee]

2 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

No Wigan ?

Wigan was in the second division for the only time in its history I believe. 

[Henson Park Old Firm]

https://twitter.com/LeighLeopardsRL/status/1680256662068764672/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1680256662068764672&currentTweetUser=LeighLeopardsRL

 

[meast]

6 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

 

Salford seem to accept their attendances are poor. Huddersfield don't, they get defensive!

The club or the fans?

Most of us accept that we would love to see the crowds higher and the stadium fuller but it hasn't or isn't happening.

I've stated many times on here over the years that we have a hardcore fanbase of around 4,000 give or take, yet while it seems acceptable for Wakefield and Salford and other clubs it isn't for us, we are expected to somehow find thousands more fans from somewhere.

Huddersfield fans are quite accepting of the fact that our support is what it is.

Again, like I've also said previously, it's pretty tedious and boring when we are constantly pulled for our fanbase but every other club seems to get a free pass.

We have some of the most passionate and loyal fans in the game but no one sees that, they only see empty seats where Huddersfield are concerned.

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

17 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

And I learned that from one of the Jackass films from many many years ago when one of them attached an electric shock device to that part of their body and shocked themselves 

And this involved England opener and hair transplant pioneer Graham?

Edited July 16, 2023 by Bedfordshire Bronco

[The Hallucinating Goose]

14 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

And this involved England opener and hair transplant pioneer Graham?

No it was Ian Botham that was involved. 

[Sports Prophet]

24k packed most of the available seating at Mt Smart to watch the Warriors climb to 5th by bashing the Sharks. Good things going on across the ditch.

[Chronicler of Chiswick]

On a historical note, back in 1975/76 the top division average was 3642 with the best supported club being Salford with 5313 and Wigan only averaging 3933! There's a tendency to forget how far we've come in the last coming on 50 years

[GUBRATS]

8 hours ago, RayCee said:

Wigan was in the second division for the only time in its history I believe. 

Of course

[Henson Park Old Firm]

Salford  6,892

[Exiled Wiganer]

33 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Of course

And only got promoted because there were 4 promotion places. Which was when I started watching them. George Fairburn carried that team on his shoulders. 

Edited July 16, 2023 by Exiled Wiganer

[Dave T]

23 hours ago, daz39 said:

But they don't get it constantly like we do.

Absolute paranoid guff. 

[Eddie]

55 minutes ago, Henson Park Old Firm said:

Salford  6,892

Excellent  

[Anita Bath]

10 hours ago, RayCee said:

Wigan was in the second division for the only time in its history I believe. 

That why they are called the good old days

[EggFace]

3 hours ago, Chronicler of Chiswick said:

On a historical note, back in 1975/76 the top division average was 3642 with the best supported club being Salford with 5313 and Wigan only averaging 3933! There's a tendency to forget how far we've come in the last coming on 50 years

Weren'tthe big crowds for derby's, finals etc ?