Wigan v Penrith World Club challenge at the JJB

[north yorks trinity]

On 13/11/2023 at 13:44, The Masked Poster said:

Presumably you don’t want teams in the Championship to make money though. 

At least he won't have to lose much sleep worrying about it 

[Exiled Wiganer]

Incidentally, it won’t be played at the JJB or the DW, but it will be played at the Piedome.

[Sports Prophet]

I would like to think there would be enough RL fans interested in going to watch three times NRL champs, led by Nathan Cleary, to fill Etihad. 

Playing at JJB or whatever it’s called is just a little too unambitious for my liking. Especially when the sport is supposed to have an ambitious specialist in promoting sporting events as a business partner.

[Odsal Outlaw]

Wigan have a 25k seater stadium and have earnt the right to play at home if that is their preference. And if they can sell 25k FULL PRICE tickets then fair play

If the WCC has a genuine growth strategy for  the future fair enough, but in its current guise I think play at DW and sell it out.

[Futtocks]

1 hour ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

Incidentally, it won’t be played at the JJB or the DW, but it will be played at the Piedome.

You can't call that stadium the Piedome until somebody builds a crust over it. Roof! I meant roof. Of course.

[del capo]

Can any one tell me who is responsible for the organisation costs and profit/ loss of this venture ?

I always thought it was down to the Home club but there seems to be nothing in the Operational rules covering it. The International Board only deals with national sides.

 The Sponsorship / broadcasting rights - both tasty possibilities - seem to belong to the RFL.

Did St Helens get anything from the TV  and did they have to pay anything for their trip to Aussie ?

Or will we be seeing IMG make their first move and spoil Wigan's party ?

[The Masked Poster]

6 hours ago, Odsal Outlaw said:

Wigan have a 25k seater stadium and have earnt the right to play at home if that is their preference. And if they can sell 25k FULL PRICE tickets then fair play

If the WCC has a genuine growth strategy for  the future fair enough, but in its current guise I think play at DW and sell it out.

Totally agree. Given the lack of a strategy for playing this game in other stadia, Wigan are entitled to hold this one at their own ground and hopefully make a few quid for their trouble. (With apologies to CoCo, I know he hates RL making money)

If there is a future plan and this involves neutral venues, that's different but for now, a full JJB/DW will do nicely. 

 

[gingerjon]

5 hours ago, del capo said:

Can any one tell me who is responsible for the organisation costs and profit/ loss of this venture ?

It's a really good question. Back in the day it was branded to look like a Super League (or SL/RFL) product so I'd always assumed it was the host association as opposed to the specific club.

[Just Browny]

5 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

It's a really good question. Back in the day it was branded to look like a Super League (or SL/RFL) product so I'd always assumed it was the host association as opposed to the specific club.

Don't just give me the 'really good question' spiel, I need to know whether I am blaming IMG, the RFL or the IRL for anything I dont like about this farce.

[Exiled Wiganer]

The heading for this thread made me nostalgic for where I was brought up. 

There used to be a shop at the end of the road which was sometimes a hardware shop, sometimes a newsagents and sometimes (now) a cafe. People would tend to call the same shop different names from different eras - usually the name they knew it by when they were growing up - and so if you had a group of people from different generations, it could be called multiple names in the same conversation… Hence someone says JJB, I hear Piedome. 

is that a local or a universal human trait? 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

It's a shame rugby league in this country is terrible at promoting events. This would be great in the Etihad on the back of a great season that began with the SL champions beating this very team in their own back yard.

We'll take the safe option obviously that will engage very few neutrals due to its "samey" feel.

[FearTheVee]

19 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

It's a shame rugby league in this country is terrible at promoting events. This would be great in the Etihad on the back of a great season that began with the SL champions beating this very team in their own back yard.

We'll take the safe option obviously that will engage very few neutrals due to its "samey" feel.

The best place to play the game is at Wigan's ground IMO. It doesn't need to be at the Etihad (a byword for dreadful atmosphere), it will be great at Wigan.

I'll be there - not cheering Wigan on, but not abusing them for once.

[Marrafan]

On 13/11/2023 at 13:44, The Masked Poster said:

Presumably you don’t want teams in the Championship to make money though. 

How do teams in the Championship/League One make money out of this fixture please?

[Leyther_Matt]

9 minutes ago, FearTheVee said:

The best place to play the game is at Wigan's ground IMO. It doesn't need to be at the Etihad (a byword for dreadful atmosphere), it will be great at Wigan.

I'll be there - not cheering Wigan on, but not abusing them for once.

Admittedly it has been expanded since then, but the Etihad was bouncing for GB v Australia in 200*cough*

Must admit there would be more of an event feel playing elsewhere. I’ve been to WCC games at Elland Road a couple of times and saw the Roosters demolish Saints at the Reebok but never to any held at club grounds. However, until the numbers stack up, then clubs have earned the right to make their own money, although I think it would have been an entirely different conversation had this happened before Danson took over at Latics. 

[hunsletgreenandgold]

Yeah I'd be happy for it to be at DW - I went against Roosters in 2019 at the atmosphere was amazing. My one request - based on how many eyes are starting to be on this game, please rub out the football markings! 

[Damien]

Lets not forget the DW is not a small ground. If this sells out, and it should, it will be the best attended WCC since Wigan played the Sydney Roosters in Sydney in 2014 and will be firmly in the top 10 crowds.

[The Masked Poster]

33 minutes ago, Marrafan said:

How do teams in the Championship/League One make money out of this fixture please?

I never said they could, in fact it’s weird how anyone would even link Championship clubs to this game but whatever.
I’m merely reacting to his snide classification of making money as some sort of crime. Because as we know, RL has money coming out of it’s ears - ask the English NRL contingent. 

[Sports Prophet]

I often hear of people declaring “clubs have earned the right to play at home”. I heard it a lot when Cronulla earned the right to host a home semi final at their restricted capacity Shark Park.

My position on this has completely changed. As far as I am concerned, clubs are required to show some more balls and ensure the bigs games are featured in venues befitting the occasion.

Wigan’s home ground isn’t befitting the occasion of a World Club Championship fixture. Not for a sport striving to breakthrough into mainstream popularity it’s not.

[FearTheVee]

Just now, Sports Prophet said:

I often hear of people declaring “clubs have earned the right to play at home”. I heard it a lot when Cronulla earned the right to host a home semi final at their restricted capacity Shark Park.

My position on this has completely changed. As far as I am concerned, clubs are required to show some more balls and ensure the bigs games are featured in venues befitting the occasion.

Wigan’s home ground isn’t befitting the occasion of a World Club Championship fixture. Not for a sport striving to breakthrough into mainstream popularity it’s not.

It's a damn site better than where Penrith played it I'd suggest.

[hunsletgreenandgold]

3 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

I often hear of people declaring “clubs have earned the right to play at home”. I heard it a lot when Cronulla earned the right to host a home semi final at their restricted capacity Shark Park.

My position on this has completely changed. As far as I am concerned, clubs are required to show some more balls and ensure the bigs games are featured in venues befitting the occasion.

Wigan’s home ground isn’t befitting the occasion of a World Club Championship fixture. Not for a sport striving to breakthrough into mainstream popularity it’s not.

Yeah, I don't remember much of this rhetoric last year when it was played at 22,500 capacity BlueBet stadium in Penrith? With a crowd of around 13,000 - not because of the game, but because it doesn't even have a roof and belted it down with tropical/biblical amounts of rain. 

Of course, the hope for this game is to keep developing and be the real showpiece for the season-opening and it's trending in the right direction to do that IMO. But sticking it in a 55k stadium with the hope 'they will come' would be very rugby league and look terrible if any less than 40k did come.  

[Damien]

11 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

I often hear of people declaring “clubs have earned the right to play at home”. I heard it a lot when Cronulla earned the right to host a home semi final at their restricted capacity Shark Park.

My position on this has completely changed. As far as I am concerned, clubs are required to show some more balls and ensure the bigs games are featured in venues befitting the occasion.

Wigan’s home ground isn’t befitting the occasion of a World Club Championship fixture. Not for a sport striving to breakthrough into mainstream popularity it’s not.

It takes two to tango and this relationship between the SL and NRL club is far from fair, with the NRL club too often the reluctant partner. Going to other venues would be easier if the burden didn't always fall on the SL club to pay for these events as well as the Australian club's travel when in the UK. Even when in Australia they aren't played under the same conditions as when Australian clubs travel here with English clubs paying to travel there.

If the NRL and Australian clubs did their fair share when it came to the WCC then putting it on in bigger venues would be much more viable.

[George Watt]

23 hours ago, Archie Gordon said:

Couldn't we have a shot at a 50k+ ground in London?

Well the record attendance for a WCC game was in London in 1994 with over 54,000 there to see Wigan v Brisbane.

[Damien]

11 minutes ago, George Watt said:

Well the record attendance for a WCC game was in London in 1994 with over 54,000 there to see Wigan v Brisbane.

That was in Brisbane

[philipw]

12 minutes ago, George Watt said:

Well the record attendance for a WCC game was in London in 1994 with over 54,000 there to see Wigan v Brisbane.

Would that not have been in Brisbane, rather than London?  

Edited November 17, 2023 by philipw

[Tommygilf]

11 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

RL fans interested in going to watch three times NRL champs, led by Nathan Cleary, to fill Etihad. 

Who? 

Facetious a little, yes. But the Australian players really are not well known over here. Certainly not as star power in themselves