Thur 8th Aug: SL: St Helens v Salford Red Devils KO 20:00 (Sky)

[The Blues Ox]

1 minute ago, EagleEyePie said:

That shot ended up forcing Shorrocks off the field for Dudson, who then hopelessly missed the tackle on Harry Robertson which gave them the field position. Little things can make a big difference.

Yeah needed a strong decision there and total game changer. Shorrocks should really have stayed down but theres so much talk about that now but in that instance would have been a clear penalty.

[bobbruce]

Great effort from both teams neither team deserve to lose a draw was absolutely the right result. Having said that although Saints are still well off it its results like this that could start building some belief again. 

[DG70]

3 things we learned from that: Salford should have won, Saints dug deep, Dudson is finished at SL level.

[daz39]

1 hour ago, The Blues Ox said:

What is the rule on dragging nowadays? Did that get changed because that one was clear as day so Im just presuming the rule got changed.

I don't think there is a rule these days, it's more a case of if he stops before the line it's play on if he doesn't then it's possession to the defending team, push pull, drag, throw, twist, roll all seem to be acceptable nowadays.

[Fevrover]

19 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Course they do 

It's crazy ,we've always had drawn games why change it ? Australia of course. 

[JM2010]

39 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

Young Burns and Robertson are so promising and exciting.

Those 2 plus Delaney and Stephens are the future success of Saints. There’s probably more waiting in the wings too

[Hopie]

11 minutes ago, daz39 said:

I don't think there is a rule these days, it's more a case of if he stops before the line it's play on if he doesn't then it's possession to the defending team, push pull, drag, throw, twist, roll all seem to be acceptable nowadays.

The maul is back in Rugby League, especially near the touchlines.

35 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

ok.  I'm open minded.  Explain to me how the actions of the referee resulted in the two fouls by the Saints players and two yellow cards.

The way a referee does their job influences the game and the players in it, you know that already. You say its not the ref it is the players, I criticised the ref's part in the mess that happened. I didn't say Saints repeated high tackles were good or excusable.

Most players are big daft lads, but some games are more likely to blow up than others, you can see it coming, and it is more likely when referees miss things, or are lenient on foul play. 

[Dunbar]

19 minutes ago, Hopie said:

The way a referee does their job influences the game and the players in it, you know that already. You say its not the ref it is the players, I criticised the ref's part in the mess that happened. I didn't say Saints repeated high tackles were good or excusable.

Most players are big daft lads, but some games are more likely to blow up than others, you can see it coming, and it is more likely when referees miss things, or are lenient on foul play. 

I don't think there is any evidence whatsoever that the referee lost control of that game (your original claim) but seeing as thought the moderators have asked us not to focus on referee performance I will leave it there.

But we knew that already!

[johnh1]

43 minutes ago, daz39 said:

I don't think there is a rule these days, it's more a case of if he stops before the line it's play on if he doesn't then it's possession to the defending team, push pull, drag, throw, twist, roll all seem to be acceptable nowadays.

Unless Salford do it, as they did against Wigan a few weeks ago when Wigan were given a penalty and scored on the next set to win the game. Different rules for different clubs.

[Gooleboy]

Another game where a draw would have been the right result. The golden point rule is a waste of space in league games but the powers that be can't see it. 

[JohnM]

16 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Another game where a draw would have been the right result. The golden point rule is a waste of space in league games but the powers that be can't see it. 

I caught a fair bit of the game, and yes, a draw would have been fair. I'm not violently against the golden shot- I quite liked Anne Aston, but it does seem like change for changes sake. 

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

51 minutes ago, JohnM said:

- I quite liked Anne Aston, 

Just had to Google who it was... She could golden my shot any time she likes 

[Welshleaguelover]

8 hours ago, JM2010 said:

Those 2 plus Delaney and Stephens are the future success of Saints. There’s probably more waiting in the wings too

Delaney is a myth. One of those lads we hype up over here because he matures early.

[Gooleboy]

7 hours ago, JohnM said:

I caught a fair bit of the game, and yes, a draw would have been fair. I'm not violently against the golden shot- I quite liked Anne Aston, but it does seem like change for changes sake. 

So did Bob Monkhouse!

[Fevrover]

7 hours ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Just had to Google who it was... She could golden my shot any time she likes 

She's 76 now,Golden Shot was some time ago lol.

Edited August 9, 2024 by Fevrover

[Dave T]

I must admit to enjoying golden point (although I'd prefer say, a set 5 mins or so). This is sports entertainment, and I think a draw is a bit flat in RL. 

[Agbrigg]

Just now, Dave T said:

I must admit to enjoying golden point (although I'd prefer say, a set 5 mins or so). This is sports entertainment, and I think a draw is a bit flat in RL. 

Compared to RL soccer is a very 'flat' sport in my opinion, they also have countless draws which are even 'flatter' but they don't fall into the trap of having Penalty shoot outs after every league game drawn.

The only place for golden point is a knock out competition.

One final thing, those guys out there last night gave it all for the full 80 minutes, I believe it's too much to ask to put their bodies through more rigour for a league match were everyone would be happy with a draw and 1 pt each.

[Dave T]

7 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Compared to RL soccer is a very 'flat' sport in my opinion, they also have countless draws which are even 'flatter' but they don't fall into the trap of having Penalty shoot outs after every league game drawn.

The only place for golden point is a knock out competition.

One final thing, those guys out there last night gave it all for the full 80 minutes, I believe it's too much to ask to put their bodies through more rigour for a league match were everyone would be happy with a draw and 1 pt each.

There is no authority here, it's personal preference. What football does is of no relevance. 

[Agbrigg]

16 minutes ago, Dave T said:

There is no authority here, it's personal preference. What football does is of no relevance. 

Yes my personal preference obviously is different to yours. RL players are not that well paid compared to other sports and I believe they deliver far more. The physical rigours and toil that they have to endure in the modern game, is way beyond what many participants  have to endure in other sports. 

I am extremely happy what they deliver within 80 minutes and not wanting anymore just to satisfy my personal entertainment

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

1 hour ago, Fevrover said:

She's 76 now,Golden Shot was some time ago lol.

Same age as Roby and he continued to perform well until last year ...no reason why she wouldn't do the same 

[Dave T]

2 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Yes my personal preference obviously is different to yours. RL players are not that well paid compared to other sports and I believe they deliver far more. The physical rigours and toil that they have to endure in the modern game, is way beyond what many participants  have to endure in other sports. 

I am extremely happy what they deliver within 80 minutes and not wanting anymore just to satisfy my personal entertainment

There are far greater player welfare concerns than not wanting them to play maybe another three minutes or so for maybe one game a year.

I've yet to hear a compelling argument for draws in RL other than people like them because it's what we have always had really.

For me, sport is about winners and losers, nobody ever goes to a sporting event looking to get/hoping for a draw.

 

[redjonn]

12 hours ago, Hopie said:

The maul is back in Rugby League, especially near the touchlines.

 

yep, it is... and not just near the touch line, seems to be happening more and more where a player is carried/dragged backwards, although at some stage the players of the player being dragged will join in too... back to square one

[JohnM]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

There are far greater player welfare concerns than not wanting them to play maybe another three minutes or so for maybe one game a year.

I've yet to hear a compelling argument for draws in RL other than people like them because it's what we have always had really.

For me, sport is about winners and losers, nobody ever goes to a sporting event looking to get/hoping for a draw.

It certainly made for an exciting finish. Anyway, it's here to stay, so teams need to develop the tactics they will use in extra time. 

[Padge]

14 hours ago, dkw said:

Not if there's still momentum.

Moving tackled player 2. (a) Where opponents do not make a tackle effective in the quickest possible manner but attempt to push, pull or carry the player in possession, it is permissible for colleagues of the tackled player to lend their weight in order to avoid losing ground. Immediately this happens the referee should call “Held”.

[dkw]

6 minutes ago, Padge said:

Moving tackled player 2. (a) Where opponents do not make a tackle effective in the quickest possible manner but attempt to push, pull or carry the player in possession, it is permissible for colleagues of the tackled player to lend their weight in order to avoid losing ground. Immediately this happens the referee should call “Held”.

That's very open to interpretation, specifically "do not make a tackle effective in the quickest possible manner ".

But I was more giving my opinion anyway, i dont see why a defender adding weight should stop a player getting taken into touch, or in goal etc.