The 4 of Us Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Any idea who these investors might be? Fred Done has been mentioned in the past, and there was the local guy who was talking about securing the ground 12 months ago that came to nought? It would seem that if there is an optimum time to buy, it is now, before the talent leaves, although either of the above are not likely to have made money by giving it away to lost causes, so perhaps the due diligence work is making the head decisions stronger than the heart in moving matters forward. http://www.wiganstpats.org Producing Players Since 1910
Wakefield Ram Posted January 20 Posted January 20 4 hours ago, Dave T said: Interesting that King says this: “We can sell to only four clubs – Castleford, Wakefield, Leigh and Hull, although that might change by this Wednesday following another RFL meeting,” King told League Express. When Warrington have admitted that they have cap space and may be interested. Why not just create another exemption and call it the "Salford exemption"? There's enough exemptions to render the salary cap meaningless anyway.
Wakey Til I Die Posted January 20 Posted January 20 4 hours ago, Dave T said: Potentially, but the likes of Watkins and Sneyd aren't quota players. Hull & Cas don't have any quota space so it's not that. Huddersfield do but not mentioned. Warrington have cap space but not mentioned. That quote, as with most things Salford, doesn't add up. 2
LeytherRob Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 4 minutes ago, Wakey Til I Die said: Hull & Cas don't have any quota space so it's not that. Huddersfield do but not mentioned. Warrington have cap space but not mentioned. That quote, as with most things Salford, doesn't add up. Paul King does have a tendency to massage the truth quite considerably in his public statements on Salfords future, you only have to go back to the communications around the share issue and the promise of not selling players like Tyler Dupree, Brodie Croft, Andy Ackers etc. Until the new owners are hosting a press conference at SRD i'll continue to take everything Paul King says with a healthy dose of salt. 2
Wakefield Ram Posted January 20 Posted January 20 4 hours ago, JohnM said: All of which kind of begs the question why "catchment area" is an IMG metric in the first place. I think it could be: 1. The simplest metric that is better than none. 2. Building in higher-order demographic metrics such as population density in the outer areas of a wider "catchment area" . As the cathment area is expanded, the density of fans reduces, possibly? 3. That it borrows from analysis methodology IMG have carried out previously for other projects. Consultants re-hash content from one assignment to the next, so 3 is no surprise. You could argue that it measures success in attracting local fans and/or potential new fans. Or it's just more consultancy Emperors New Clothes.
graveyard johnny Posted January 20 Posted January 20 just posting this here as its one of the more popular threads -and a little off topic - but has anyone heard from one of the more prolific posters on TRL in the last 3 weeks? DUNBAR - unusual for him not to be contributing all over the board! gone on a world cruise maybe? see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile
Damien Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, LeytherRob said: Paul King does have a tendency to massage the truth quite considerably in his public statements on Salfords future, you only have to go back to the communications around the share issue and the promise of not selling players like Tyler Dupree, Brodie Croft, Andy Ackers etc. Until the new owners are hosting a press conference at SRD i'll continue to take everything Paul King says with a healthy dose of salt. He doesn't exactly inspire confidence does he?
Taffy Tiger Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, graveyard johnny said: just posting this here as its one of the more popular threads -and a little off topic - but has anyone heard from one of the more prolific posters on TRL in the last 3 weeks? DUNBAR - unusual for him not to be contributing all over the board! gone on a world cruise maybe? Hi gj , not sure but I think he did the tipping comp last year , so maybe having a break before that starts up again 1
graveyard johnny Posted January 20 Posted January 20 10 minutes ago, Taffy Tiger said: Hi gj , not sure but I think he did the tipping comp last year , so maybe having a break before that starts up again not even logged in? since 2nd see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile
Celtic Roosters Posted January 20 Posted January 20 3 hours ago, The 4 of Us said: Any idea who these investors might be? Fred Done has been mentioned in the past, and there was the local guy who was talking about securing the ground 12 months ago that came to nought? It would seem that if there is an optimum time to buy, it is now, before the talent leaves, although either of the above are not likely to have made money by giving it away to lost causes, so perhaps the due diligence work is making the head decisions stronger than the heart in moving matters forward. Forget Fred Done. He's a Manchester United fan and is in business to make money. He must feel he is getting value for money sponsoring RL because he has never had much interest in the sport. He doesn't throw money away.
Taffy Tiger Posted January 20 Posted January 20 13 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said: not even logged in? since 2nd Let's hope he's ok 1
Just Browny Posted January 20 Posted January 20 4 hours ago, The 4 of Us said: Any idea who these investors might be? Fred Done has been mentioned in the past, and there was the local guy who was talking about securing the ground 12 months ago that came to nought? It would seem that if there is an optimum time to buy, it is now, before the talent leaves, although either of the above are not likely to have made money by giving it away to lost causes, so perhaps the due diligence work is making the head decisions stronger than the heart in moving matters forward. Paul Rowley I reckon. Harry says he is minted. 1 I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.
gingerjon Posted January 20 Posted January 20 16 minutes ago, Taffy Tiger said: Let's hope he's ok The total content of his most recent post. Should anyone be interested, it's quite easy to find who he was replying to: "I commented on the article, not you personally. I am not interested in belonging to a site where insults are endorsed." Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)
LeeF Posted January 20 Posted January 20 5 hours ago, The Future is League said: Any Due Diligence done might reveal more about the club and it's financial position than we have been told so far. The DD should have been done based on the delays seen. The real question is whether any potential purchasers can cover the losses in the short term pending a full restructure.
Taffy Tiger Posted January 20 Posted January 20 15 minutes ago, gingerjon said: The total content of his most recent post. Should anyone be interested, it's quite easy to find who he was replying to: "I commented on the article, not you personally. I am not interested in belonging to a site where insults are endorsed." Thanks , that makes more sense and explains his absence
phiggins Posted January 20 Posted January 20 5 hours ago, LeytherRob said: Paul King does have a tendency to massage the truth quite considerably in his public statements on Salfords future, you only have to go back to the communications around the share issue and the promise of not selling players like Tyler Dupree, Brodie Croft, Andy Ackers etc. Until the new owners are hosting a press conference at SRD i'll continue to take everything Paul King says with a healthy dose of salt. He does seem a bit Del Boy. “This time next year…” Hopefully the new investment comes in, quickly, and by people that know what they’re doing
sweaty craiq Posted January 20 Posted January 20 3 hours ago, Just Browny said: Paul Rowley I reckon. Harry says he is minted. Wife’s family have a few bob
sweaty craiq Posted January 20 Posted January 20 On topic if Salford are “bought” then somebody will be taking on a large debt. To absorb that and put in to stay afloat which would be £1m+ needs deep pockets and passion. A cva is the route if agreed but is that a points deduction or a relegation. If I was coming in I would accept a relegation linked to a cva and build it back on a wave of support 1
M j M Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Salford's debts aren't particularly large in the overall scheme of things. Relegation would be a crazy thing for a new owner to accept. 1
Worzel Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Hetherington talking a lot of sense here: https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/leeds-rhinos-launch-salary-cap-dispensation-bid-as-salford-red-devils-crisis-takes-new-twist-4951555 As ever he sees the wood for the trees. Quite clear in his mind that Salford have been irresponsible, in contrast to other sides like Castleford who’ve made squad cutbacks proactively, but that we now need to think about what’s best for the sport not what would be a “fair” outcome (which let’s be honest is probably Salford going into administration) 1
sweaty craiq Posted January 20 Posted January 20 25 minutes ago, M j M said: Salford's debts aren't particularly large in the overall scheme of things. Relegation would be a crazy thing for a new owner to accept. £5m+ is a lot to take on for most folk 1
Wollo Wollo Wayoo Posted January 20 Posted January 20 35 minutes ago, M j M said: Relegation would be a crazy thing for a new owner to accept. It didn't bother Matt Ellis. This world was never meant for one as beautiful as me. Wakefield Trinity RLFC 2012 - 2014 "The wasted years" 2013, 2014 & 2015 Official Magic Weekend "Whipping Boys" 2017 - The year the dream disappeared under Grix's left foot. 2018 - The FinniChezz Bromance 2019 - The Return of the Prodigal Son
JonT Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Rumblings on Twitter that this guy is the knight in shining armour. He's certainly come into some serious money! https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertolsen-1/2025/01/20/rugby-tycoon-sells-his-investment-firm-to-tdr-capital-for-12-billion/
The Future is League Posted January 21 Posted January 21 6 hours ago, LeeF said: The DD should have been done based on the delays seen. The real question is whether any potential purchasers can cover the losses in the short term pending a full restructure. "Should" be the key word.
Martyn Sadler Posted January 21 Posted January 21 3 hours ago, JonT said: Rumblings on Twitter that this guy is the knight in shining armour. He's certainly come into some serious money! https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertolsen-1/2025/01/20/rugby-tycoon-sells-his-investment-firm-to-tdr-capital-for-12-billion/ It's not him.
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