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9 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Yes it was mentioned half way through chapter 12 

I knew we shouldn't have hired Peter Jackson to direct this thread!

"We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato."  Don Estelle

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40 minutes ago, londonrlfan said:

England v Australia at Wembley 2011 42k, England v NZ Wembley 2013 67k, England v NZ Olympic 2015 44k. How did any of them struggle to get 30k?

You underestimate Londoners. We turn up to watch sport, regardless if we're 'experts' in the sport on not. France are a big name in sporting terms. It's not like playing the Cook Islands, is it? 

England v Australia at Wembley was the first time they'd played an international game at Wembley in years.

England v NZ at Wembley was a semi final WC double header.

England v NZ at Olympic Stadium was the first RL game at Olympic Stadium. England v Australia the very next year only attracting 35k to the Olympic Stadium shows how quickly that novelty wore off for arguably a bigger game in a bigger tournament.

I don't underestimate Londoners. All of these games had huge traveling audiences and were part of much bigger events with some novelty attached to them. England v France in London would not as a large traveling audience, so would largely on that London support. If it were there in such big numbers, the RFL would hold more games down there. It's not there and you have very little evidence to support that it is there.

To suggest England v France would attract 35k outside of a major tournament like the WC is utter fantasy.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

England v Australia at Wembley was the first time they'd played an international game at Wembley in years.

England v NZ at Wembley was a semi final WC double header.

England v NZ at Olympic Stadium was the first RL game at Olympic Stadium. England v Australia the very next year only attracting 35k to the Olympic Stadium shows how quickly that novelty wore off for arguably a bigger game in a bigger tournament.

I don't underestimate Londoners. All of these games had huge traveling audiences and were part of much bigger events with some novelty attached to them. England v France in London would not as a large traveling audience, so would largely on that London support. If it were there in such big numbers, the RFL would hold more games down there. It's not there and you have very little evidence to support that it is there.

To suggest England v France would attract 35k outside of a major tournament like the WC is utter fantasy.

 

 

The lower crowd for England v Australia at the Olympic Stadium was a direct result of the woeful set up of the previous game v New Zealand. I don’t think words can express how dire it was.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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52 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

But people were interested in Eng vs Scotland so that´s a contradiction and again, if you have an annual tournament you give games meaning. Again, you´ve not presented any alternative (remember, Australia and New Zealand are no longer an option.)

I wouldn´t have Eng play France in England or Wales. 4 nations, England play Wales in Cardiff Arms Park, France in France. Jam in Plogh Lane or Brentford stadium then a final up north. Smallish but full stadiums so it looks great on tv (the real audience). 

The novelty of England v Scotland will very quickly wear off if it happened annually and it was a drubbing. That Scotland side had to qualify for the 4N and were a good side that earned that place in merit. But playing them annually would become very dull very quickly, especially since they are now a shadow of the side they once were.

 

Like I said, the idea of teams qualifying for a tournament I don't mind, but not playing the same sides every year.

 

What was the interest like for the 2012 Euro Tri Nations?

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

The lower crowd for England v Australia at the Olympic Stadium was a direct result of the woeful set up of the previous game v New Zealand. I don’t think words can express how dire it was.

What was so dire about it?

I recall the atmosphere being very dull as well as the game, but not much else. I did spend most of the pre-match in the ticket queue though having stupidly forgotten my tickets at home, so didn't get much chance to take in the festivities!

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2 hours ago, londonrlfan said:

I haven't said England should play a team of amateurs. I said no reason why we can't play France, Wales, Jamaica, Scotland and Ireland. These are all made up of SL players, so none of them are amateurs ...

Just browse the recent teams for France, Wales, Jamaica, Scotland and Ireland and reconsider what you said.

There have been many players from outside SL and several amateurs, particularly in the Scotland and Ireland teams.

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3 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

Who's Gollum on this thread then?! 😜

Phil Gould.

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Just now, Wellsy4HullFC said:

What was so dire about it?

I recall the atmosphere being very dull as well as the game, but not much else. I did spend most of the pre-match in the ticket queue though having stupidly forgotten my tickets at home, so didn't get much chance to take in the festivities!

Festivities = “fanzone” in a mostly empty car park with the Rugby AM guys cracking in jokes on a stage *and naff all else*

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5 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Phil Gould.

V'landys is Sauron, certainly has the dark menacing presence.

Solly is Saruman, used to be good but corrupted by evil.

NRL clubs are the Nazgul.  

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31 minutes ago, Griff said:

Just browse the recent teams for France, Wales, Jamaica, Scotland and Ireland and reconsider what you said.

There have been many players from outside SL and several amateurs, particularly in the Scotland and Ireland teams.

You do realise most of those were small time matches played in park fields? You give them big games in proper tournaments and more players will start "putting their hand up" (as the saying goes). 

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1 minute ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

This just in from the Sydney Morning Herald from their latest interview with Phil Gould: 

"Mister Gould, what is your opinion of the IRL and control of international RL in general?" 

"My precious!" 

"Preciousss club game, mussst be preserved at all cossstsss. ALL COSSSTSSSS! Even the futuressss of the sportsessssss as a wholessssss."

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41 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

To suggest England v France would attract 35k outside of a major tournament like the WC is utter fantasy.

Again, this would be in a major 4 Nations type tournament, not a one off friendly. 

My issue with playing in London, is the RFL only advertise in Wigan and Hull to RL fans, who are aware the match is taking place already. You need advertise it in London and be smart with advertising. 

RL fans might not be interested as they think it'll be one sided, but casual fans wouldn't have a clue. They'd just see England v France and assume it'd be a good game as France are a big sporting nation. Plus playing at the Olympic Stadium draws people in as it's seen as an event. 

I don't see why it wouldn't do as well as playing Australia and NZ. 

But we won't know without trying. 

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8 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

"Preciousss club game, mussst be preserved at all cossstsss. ALL COSSSTSSSS! Even the futuressss of the sportsessssss as a wholessssss."

Maybe that's the solution! I think we've stumbled on something there Futtocks mate! We throw the NRL trophy in a volcano!

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9 minutes ago, londonrlfan said:

You do realise most of those were small time matches played in park fields? You give them big games in proper tournaments and more players will start "putting their hand up" (as the saying goes). 

Park fields ?   Small grounds perhaps, but not park fields.  

They were in the European Championship - which you are wanting to give greater precedence.

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10 hours ago, Essex Eel said:

I honestly think that I'll be done with the sport after this. I can't believe how RL continually shoots itself in the foot and now we're seeing the jewel in the crown being sabotaged. Normally our sports cock-ups don't receive much media coverage but this is just embarrassing. I just feel so sorry for those players from the developing nations who are denied an opportunity to perform on the big stage. What must the players and supporters from those Nations think of our sport? 

You wont be alone, and Rugby League forums and trade newspapers won't exist as there won't be any need with for them with no interest in the game

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2 minutes ago, londonrlfan said:

Again, this would be in a major 4 Nations type tournament, not a one off friendly. 

My issue with playing in London, is the RFL only advertise in Wigan and Hull to RL fans, who are aware the match is taking place already. You need advertise it in London and be smart with advertising. 

RL fans might not be interested as they think it'll be one sided, but casual fans wouldn't have a clue. They'd just see England v France and assume it'd be a good game as France are a big sporting nation. Plus playing at the Olympic Stadium draws people in as it's seen as an event. 

I don't see why it wouldn't do as well as playing Australia and NZ. 

But we won't know without trying. 

Trust me, they do not advertise in Hull. I remember saying about this the last time NZ played at KCOM and there was only 17,000 there. I remember saying I was walking round Hull City centre and there was nothing at all, not one little poster or anything, to advertise the fact a major sporting International was taking place in the city, yet there was posters all over the place, everywhere, for the UK seniors snooker, a very minor snooker tournament in the season. 

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52 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

What was the interest like for the 2012 Euro Tri Nations?

It was small time, because the RFL made it so. 

Playing at Anfield, Wembley, Old Trafford, St James', Olympic Stadium is what makes international RL look important. 

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Just now, londonrlfan said:

It was small time, because the RFL made it so. 

Playing at Anfield, Wembley, Old Trafford, St James', Olympic Stadium is what makes international RL look important. 

Are you prepared to underwrite the losses on this tournament ?

That would be your best chance of getting this plan off the ground.

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6 minutes ago, Griff said:

Park fields ?   Small grounds perhaps, but not park fields.  

They were in the European Championship - which you are wanting to give greater precedence.

So what do you suggest instead then? Sitting around waiting to see if the NRL say yes? 

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1 minute ago, Griff said:

Are you prepared to underwrite the losses on this tournament ?

That would be your best chance of getting this plan off the ground.

Sometimes you have to make a loss to start something. No one immediately starts out with a huge profit. Advertising and sponsorship would help cover the shortfall. 

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4 minutes ago, londonrlfan said:

Sometimes you have to make a loss to start something. No one immediately starts out with a huge profit. Advertising and sponsorship would help cover the shortfall. 

So - no, then.

I like a dreamer but they're not much help.

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